SW geneseed

[Grimtooth]

Natural selection would weed out those who don't enter pubety very young, it s not unheard of for young boys to enter puberty before the ages of 15, Precocious puberty.

On a planet were only the strongest have a chance to survive past infantcy such a thing as hitting puberty young would be seen as an advantage as a strong child would become a stronger male who would make even stronger offspring, eventually the gene pool would be awash with the genes that facilitate quicker maturity till growing facial hair at 12 is the norm.

 

only fenris is not a food heavy enviroment , there is no way that with the 1 year winters [no fruits , less vitamins , less sun to absorb does . slower growth] they would grow up faster . If anything they would grow up later. + the number of mighty warriors at the age of 12 is kind of a small . a dude would have to be a mutant for that to happen . A 12 years old fenrisian[half of those years are winters] wouldnt have enough time to grow enough to join the young man brotherhoods . More important there is absolutly no way a jarl would take a band of 12-13 year old to war/hunt and give them a small part of the loot[even if the fluff says it is a small cut].

having starting facial hair at 12 doesnt mean nothing if your bone and muscle structure isnt there to make you a man . a pumped up on testosteron child is not a man.

 

 

the modern western world because of Victorian prudery, even a hundred years ago in England 15-16 was hardly uncommon for people to be in 'relationships'...

yes butt aht would still mean that he got transported for a one whole seson to the camps at Russavik . they would still have to end the implantation proces way past the time of him being a young adult .whole proces is around 2 years without the trip which and we didnt know how long that took .But even if it was a week or two we are still looking and implantation ended at 18-19 years.

 

The basis of your summary is on a Terran year, not a Fenrisian year.

 

We are told of the seasonal cycle of Fenris and it isn't a time of starving when winter comes around. They are consumate hunters who brave the environment during the season of fire and the season of life.

[the jeske]

the 2ed book tells us that that the fenris year is around 2 normal terran years . it also tells us that the fenris winters are not a fun time for stuff that lives on fenris . and even if it was , this is still a hunter gatherer level of sociaty . there is no extra food for children to grow faster . It has nothing to do with being or not being brave[actualy on a death world planet a brave hunter would die faster then a non brave one , because of how dangerous the envirmoment is] , there just isnt enough food for boys and girls star maturing faster . On earth now we are getting that[in the western world] , but I hope you are not claiming that fenris has the same food production per captia as countries of the western world .

 

Again , unless all fenrisians are mutants it is impossible both on a physical level and on on a sociaty level for 12-13 year olds to be mature . neither the human body , nor any known sociaty works that way.

[eyeslikethunder]

Also the early developers/ brave warriors will be removed from the gene pool to become SW's( A issue i have wondered about for all chapters who repeatedly take from the same planets)

[King Willy]

Well it is implied that fenrisians are mutants of a sort through genetic engineering, I highly doubt every member of a colony team tailored to survive in such an environment would devolve into the wolves of fenris, assuming the theory is true, it also goes to explain why the wolves can't create any other chapters.

 

Genetic engineering a group to survive on fenris would mean that you could remove the many weaknesses that humans would have, vulnerability to hot and cold, slow maturity and weak senses. All this would be easily fixed by genetic engineering the first colonists on the planet then eventually the modern Fenrisian Tribes.

[eyeslikethunder]

Still dont see the relevance Willy

 

The marine process requires you to be at the beginning of the hormonal changes that make men bigger, stronger and sexually active. The characters in 5th Ed are implied to further down this process than would be expected

Whether this process occurs later or earlier is not relevant just where you are in that process

 

This is shown in emperors gift

Plus I dont any references in the fluff to support it

[King Willy]

What I m getting at is that the idea of young boys living a young mans life would not be uncommon on any death world as they would from a young age be ready to survive due to the gene pools of these particular environments.

 

They may seem older, but they could just be acting older, still be very young going through an early starting but longer lasting puberty, this longer time frame would help the standard fenrisian to get stronger and tougher while making them do the things a man would do in a tribal society.

 

This wouldn't be in the fluff because 40k is not hard sci-fi, they just handwave anything that requires in-depth description and doesn't involve some convoluted plot that ends in bolts flying everywhere.

[Atlantic]

In the case of Lukas, is it not possible he was busy womanizing right on through his ascension?

[eyeslikethunder]

True but those factors exists on most Chapters who take from Primative/deathworld cultures

 

plus brother rameses can cite a few examples of older recruits from GW's "Wolf at the Door" that gives his arguement greater strength in my eyes

 

Here are the possibilities as I see them or have been suggested

 

1) the wolves are more willing to use older recruits and accept the losses

Wolf at the door has some examples of this but not current period

As I remember it in WATD they went ahead knowing that it was unlikely to work

 

 

2)fenrisians have an unaturally long/different male puberty

brought on by fenrisian conditions

Dont see any references to it ragnar books or BOTF and its normally the difference that sci fi writers point out

 

 

 

3)The space wolf process works better on older recruits

I could see how the massive physical change unleashed by the canix helix could reduce they need for the testostrone levels of puberty

but wolf at the door IIRC suggected a terrible success rate and does not back this up

 

4)Fenrisians genetic make up helps them survive process when older

Fenrisians have been enginneered to be able to survive conditions that would kill a normal humans but i see nothing to back it up

[Valerian]

Don't forget this one:

 

5). Huge fluff inconsistency. The original background material on Space Marine developmental processes firmly established the requirement to start as a prepubescent male (approximately 10-12 years old). Several authors, and even one codex writer just continue to forget this important detail when writing, and particularly when writing about Space Wolves.

 

V

[eyeslikethunder]

++incoming astropathic Message+++

By word of the Inquisition there are no Fluff Inconsistanies only differing versions of the truth clouded by time and opinion.

We will be be sending an Inquistitor and 5 grey knights to the Fang to collect the one known as valerian for trial

++end of Message++

 

 

 

Seriously though I knew was forgetting some option while putting the baby to bed also i wanted in game logical answer

 

Plus the Wolf at the Door mentions horrendous losses fitting the fact that the older they are the less it works stated in the marine process details so there is no contradiction there