What consttitues a 'competetive' Draigowing?

[Stormshadow]

Whats an optimal loadout for a Librarian in a Draigowing force?

 

Also, as an idea how does a 'Draigo/Crowe-wing' list work? Is it viable?

 

Librarians should always have a Stave and Shrouding at a minimum. I would also suggest summoning to add some redeployment options for such a slow army.

 

Hmmm... I guess it is viable to put Draigo in any list… Crowe on the other hand is ONLY used to make Purifiers scoring. So Draigo in a Purifier list would work, Crowe in a Draigo Wing list would be a waist. Using both wings together would mean that they are competing for the troop slots, but then again you may only have enough points to use 2 squads of paladins and 3 squads of purifiers, and in that case it would not be an issue. But on the other hand you could just use Draigos Grand strategy to make the Purifiers scoring and spend 150p on something that will benefit your army, instead of Crowe.

[Crynn]

Crynn, I recall you saying in a poste once that you had great success in a tournament with your paladin army. In that same tournament you saw other people playing armies identical to yours. Do you remember if they had any luck in the tournament, and if they placed in the same ballpark as you? I do not mean to get of topic her, I would just rely like to know, And I think it may have some relevance to the original poste…

 

I came 1st in battle he came 13th out 126 players. He had also never played the list and isn't the most competitive gamer so he was happy with the result. My list also isn't easy to play, it doesn't have draigo and instead relies on mystic for very acurate deepstrikes and/or shielding from a land raider to get the paladins to their target alive. The GM and coteaz then jump out of the raider joining the palaidn unit giving the paladins an 18.5" charge range when needed, so they get slingshot into combat, sometimes making a multi assault with the deathcult unit. I can tell you now that if you don't have stuff to open up your opponents transports then all your paladins will be charging is tin boxes as 10 palies will still at best only open up 1 chassis per turn.

 

Whats an optimal loadout for a Librarian in a Draigowing force?

 

Also, as an idea how does a 'Draigo/Crowe-wing' list work? Is it viable?

 

Librarians should always have a Stave and Shrouding at a minimum. I would also suggest summoning to add some redeployment options for such a slow army.

 

If you do run a librarian with 10 paladins I don't find a stave, normally i would but in paladin armies you need to not waste points and if any unit touches those paladins in CC it won't last long enough to even attack the librarian. If the lib was in any other list sure but I don't think its necessary with Paladins.

 

Regarding Nurglez comment about taking dreadknights over dreads to not give people targets for anti tank weapons, I would say they already have targets, the paladins, they don't really die to anything but anti tank weapons, small arms fire is almost irrelevant to them. dread knights also don't really add any ranged damage which is what you need, not more CC. But as you said you go against the norm.

 

Regards,

Crynn

[nurglez]

Mr dks don't add any ranged anti tank, that is true. But shifting a camping unit in cover is the main job I have for him. And he is awesome at it.

 

I played against eldar and thanks to him killing 4 out of 5 rangers twice, left him with only 1 scoring unit, forcing him to fight me for a draw (2+ cover save laughs at all weapons, apart from template ones).

 

As I have mentioned before, making a competitive army is good. but if you dont like the units you are using, or can't get the best out of them. You are better off sticking to what you know.

 

Psyrifle dreads are the king of light ranged anti tank, that is true. However I feel that in a foot slogging list, you need speed as well, and not just from deep striking.

[Gentlemanloser]

Two TL Auto Dreads (one in each corner) and a HI NDK?

 

:)

[adamv6]

they don't really die to anything but anti tank weapons, small arms fire is almost irrelevant to them

 

That's an interesting comment. I have lost my Paladins to shear weight of fire before, after they got trapped out in the open.

 

Also, just last night, I stripped a CSM Term Squad with 4 Psycannons from a Purg squad. The shear weight of rending shots forcing invuln saves did for him.

[bebe]

It's funny. I do like Draigo lists but I have not had great success with them. That's why i decided to try Mordrak. I am currently painting up two Draigo lists neither of which conform to the standard builds. My favorite uses Karamazov/Draigo, Purgation squad with teleport homer, three apthecary/warding stave Paladins in three different squads and the obligatory psyfledreads which I make scoring along with the Purgation squad - rolls permitting. It's a silly list that sometimes blows my opponents away as they are caught by my OSRs too often or it gets blown away as I have way too few troops on the table. Really, i think Crynn has the right idea - not too many Paladins and support units. Paladins can work well as elites and a GM can make them scoring. But the thread is about Draigo lists, no?

As an aside ... I do run dual DKs at times on foot IF i'm running psychic communion and servo skulls or homers. I run them with heavy incinerator/doom fists. Not claiming they are fantastic but they seem to work fine in the correct list. The problem is you have to give up psyfledreads or quad psycannon purgation squad to fit them in which means I'm using ven psyfledreads at 1850+.

 

Question for Crynn - why a LR over a SR in your list? Not saying it's a bad idea - just curious as to your reasoning.

[Stormshadow]

why a LR over a SR in your list?

 

Stormravens can do MANY things, but it can’t give cover saves or block line of sight to the paladins. Unless they are inside the Raven :)