Exark Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Fluff question, is there any chance that the ideals of Koriel Zeth from Mechanicum could have survived to the 41st millenium? If so what is the most likely scenario and could it have made its way into an SM chapter? Put this here because it makes more sense than the Liber Astartes section. I'm figuring they could have lived on through the two survivors of the development team, but that does not seem likely as they were not quite her inner circle I don't think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razrhaghul Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 It's not really a spoiler but noosphere technology is used in Titanicus . As for the ideology of innovative thinking, if it still exists it's in secret sects of the mechanicus/non-mechanicus engineers which are either deemed heretical and hunted down or they are "sanctioned"/monopolized upon and filed under re-realized STC potential ...in the case of the predator annihilator, space puppies ran outta autocannon/HBolter ammo against orks (IIRC) and affixed their lascannons into the predator power systems, which the admech didn't like, there was much a brouhaha and the pattern was eventually approved since the technology used in both instances was STC based, but smacks of a 'why didn't we think of that' attitude from the admech)...but that's not really on the same level as what Zeth was trying. Ultimately the technology and ingenuity lost is meant to nail home another tragic blow to humanity that is the Horus Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3058459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bearer Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 It's not really a spoiler but noosphere technology is used in Titanicus . As for the ideology of innovative thinking, if it still exists it's in secret sects of the mechanicus/non-mechanicus engineers which are either deemed heretical and hunted down or they are "sanctioned"/monopolized upon and filed under re-realized STC potential ...in the case of the predator annihilator, space puppies ran outta autocannon/HBolter ammo against orks (IIRC) and affixed their lascannons into the predator power systems, which the admech didn't like, there was much a brouhaha and the pattern was eventually approved since the technology used in both instances was STC based, but smacks of a 'why didn't we think of that' attitude from the admech)...but that's not really on the same level as what Zeth was trying. Ultimately the technology and ingenuity lost is meant to nail home another tragic blow to humanity that is the Horus Heresy. I just finished reading Mechanicum ( I know... I'm waaay behind the times) and I enjoyed it. As far as the works of Zeth, it seemed as if they would have delivered mankind into a new age. Once before, I had played around with an idea of making a Space Marine Chapter based on Mars. The idea drifted away as real-life reared it's ugly head. It would be interesting to think that innovative concepts could work their way into the Marines. I however feel that, with the dogmatic approach to their world that the SM's take, it is highly unlikely. It would take a huge event to shift the Marines out of their thinking and to explore new ideas. I do however see an Imperial Guard force or a AM group forming "The Cult of Zeth". In as far as game terms, I'm not sure how you could represent them... but the funny thing with ideas.. is that they seem to reappear. Do not forget that Dalia Cythera lived on and she was definitley a forward thinker. Zouche and Caxton also worked with Dalia and they could 'spread the word'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3132747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feste Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Priests of Mars doesn't quite look into this, but it is concerned with an explorator fleet and it is discussed somewhat. Exploring and unearthing old technology is still an important part of the Mechanicum, but I'm not sure if major independent innovation is really encouraged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3134119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Not specifically Zeth related but there is a forbidden cult called the Logicians which seeks to benefit humanity through the acquisition of technology and throwing off the religious idealogy of the AdMech. Some information here and more information can be found in the 40K RPG products. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3168116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilnar Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Possible yes, but not openly. The AI from priests of mars mentioned it. There's no way a high ranking adept would be able to openly try something like that, but in secet? Why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3168937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosef Hausakluif Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Apparently the noo- sphere, which I think she was credited with creating back in the day on mars during the HH is still around in 40K, I just read about it in Wrath of Iron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3235199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 This is a small bit of in-universe contradiction - Noospheric Communications were mentioned in Titanicus (published October 2008) first, and I have a half-memory of them existing in earlier works by Abnett, but then in Mechanicum (December 2008) it was basically stated that the invention of the Noosphere was lost when Zeth died. How did it go from maybe some small knowledge of the concept escaping with two low-level Adepts to being the major basis of all AdMech communication, unless someone took the idea, ran with it and re-invented the whole thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3235491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This is a small bit of in-universe contradiction - Noospheric Communications were mentioned in Titanicus (published October 2008) first, and I have a half-memory of them existing in earlier works by Abnett, but then in Mechanicum (December 2008) it was basically stated that the invention of the Noosphere was lost when Zeth died. How did it go from maybe some small knowledge of the concept escaping with two low-level Adepts to being the major basis of all AdMech communication, unless someone took the idea, ran with it and re-invented the whole thing? I believe Zeth had passed the Noo-sphere to some of the other loyal Adepts (Kane?) before the final battle of the Magma City. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3235962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The noosphere is not a 40k invention. It was conceptualies in the 30s IIRC, and we are on the cusp of having it here in the real world. Jus' saying. And it lives on everywhere the mechanicus spreads to. It's a constant in Priests of Mars for example. But for the OP, I'm pretty sure that the fluff states regularly that new inventions are frowned upon by the Mechanicus, and they only like old technology. Changing current hallowed technology would be a bit like catholics adding a santa hat to their crucifixes, i.e. heresy... So yeah, for the mechanicus as a whole, the ideals of Zeth are long gone, while there are a few here and there who enjoy innovating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3236087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Panzer, I don't mean the concept of the Noosphere, I mean the specific piece of Mechanicum technology. I'd quite like some links to the information about the research IRL though, if you've got time. Sounds interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252171-the-views-of-adept-zeth-warning-mechanicum-spoilers/#findComment-3236614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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