Vindicators!

[Thymebandit]

So I've been playing a few test games against a friend with his Imperial Fists. He usually brings two vindicators to the table at anywhere from a 1500 list and up. These things are usually kept facing me and try as I might, I have difficulty popping them. The majority of the time I simply cannot approach them to get shots off, or cause any real damage on a turn of shooting and they pie plate me to death regardless of unit type. I am still new to the GK in general but in the lists I am running at 1800 and below, I can bring nothing short of lascannons (maybe 2 shots if I'm lucky) to deal with them!

 

My question is: How do you guys deal with Vindicators if they tend to keep their faces pointed at you?

[Myxx]

Sneak up on them?

[The Holy Heretic]

Teleport in beside them, shoot them with a Vindicare. Anything but running directly towards them out of cover :D

[adamv6]

+1 on the Vindicare.

 

I deepstrike near the mech line and hammer tanks to death as well.

[Stormshadow]

Well, I do not know what units you have at your disposal, but the problem with Pcycannons is that if you are in range the vindicator is also in range. So I use a Vindicare Assassin or Lascannons to take them out. Granted a Lascannon is not optimal against AV 13, 5 to pen and all that. But I use the TLLC on the Storm raven so you can almost always get a side shot. Turbo boosting 24” to get into melta range with the raven is also nice. I like to keep a Paladin squad, IC with Psycannon and a Dread in my ravens, this way I can move 24” into range and hit one Vindicator with the raven and one with the Dread, then I can hit a razorback or Predator with the IC and kill something like Long Fangs or Devastators with the Paladins . Next turn my opponent is swamped with targets and has lost his best options to take them out.

[Mr.darkness]

If you are just using psycanons You've got to try and get that side armour. You can try spamming shots at the front, but with a 6 to pen then it's never going to be good odds. At AV 11 then it's as easy to kill as a rhino.

 

vindicare will work, but some armies don't have the points.

 

meltaguns for inquisition troops will work well, but again, some armies dont have any.

 

So, you're best bet is to use something fast and get into side or rear armour, where it is much weaker.

[Gentlemanloser]

TL Autocannon Dreads. Take two, stick one in each of the furthest corners of your deployment zone.

 

Pop Vindicators Side armour.

 

:)

[nurglez]

I either shunt my dk right in front of the enemy vindicator. Or hold a squad back and deepstrike them near it for side or rear shots.

[shortysl]

Vindicare Assassin! If you haven't got the points, make the points. If you're not willing, then Interceptors in a Stormraven with a Psycannon will do if you use Shadow Skies to land next to the Vindicators. I will however state that I cannot recommend the Vindicare enough; he's perfect for making his points back as he's best used against high value targets anyway (two Vindicators and two Tactical Marines and you've made DOUBLE his points back), and a 4D6 strength Turbo-Penetrator WITH RENDING too is just brutal.

[Zeratil]

If he's taking two I'd (reluctantly) suggest the Psyfleman dreads too, remember you only need to shake or stun it for a couple of turns in order to move your plastic dudes up the board. Vindicares, teleporting dreadknights and interceptors can do much the same job - although they require more though/points.

[shortysl]

If he's taking two I'd (reluctantly) suggest the Psyfleman dreads too, remember you only need to shake or stun it for a couple of turns in order to move your plastic dudes up the board. Vindicares, teleporting dreadknights and interceptors can do much the same job - although they require more though/points.

 

Aha! I believe there is just a 5 point difference between a psyfleman dread and a vindicare assassin, so you're good there!

 

I'm sorry, it's just light-hearted messing. While I would recommend the Assassin over anything else, i'm not going to hijack other posts to do it. I actually love the idea of the psyfleman dread and will be taking one in a campaign i'll be taking part in soon. The point about preventing Vindicators from firing is an excellent one; I just prefer my targets to go 'BOOM' rather than 'CLUNK' ;-)

[the jeske]

1500

If you play draigo . you have 2 NDK . even if one gets hit by both templates and fails both cover saves its still only -2W.

 

If you play crow or puri spam you have what 32 psycannon shots +rifle man +razors . everything stuns/shakes vindicators and you should remember that they have an ultra low armor on sides [and in puri spams you have tons of units] .

 

If you play cortez . then depanding on the build you either have the 2xMM PoTMS from the SR or tons of shoting which works just like puri builds .

 

all builds can spread . all build can get cover and if vindis move that hiting stuff when models stay 2" away aint that easy.

 

no idea how you can have problems with vindicators they are not very good in 5th . The BA ones are ok because they are fast and the BT are semi ok because of PoTMS[but cost a lot .it is better take termis with tank hunter then them].

[Thymebandit]

I had totally forgot about the assassin >:)

 

 

Currently I have a Landraider and a Ven-Dred with 2 TL Autocannons+Psybolt for my longer range firepower. I have contemplated changing them out for a Stormraven and a NDK with teleporter and a hammer perhaps.

I currently have a GM, Coteaz, 5 DCA w/mystic in a LR, 10 paladins and 10 strikes. The Ven-Dred brings up the rear. In your opinions, what would be worth throwing out to swap to something like the NDK, Stormraven or Assassin?

 

I honestly don't know what my deal is. Anytime I get near those Vindicators via deepstrike or trying to move up through cover, I roll the worst I could and he has at least one of them left to say goodbye. :P

 

I have also heard that the Vindicare is great against necrons, but I have to play against any- is there any truth to that?

 

PS- Im not worried about tailoring a list to beat his, he was just helping me practice for an upcoming 1750 point event. I just figure Imperial Guard and his vehicle heavy list were probably similar in playstyle. (Correct me if I'm wrong :D)

[the jeske]

why are you runing 10man paladins+GM in a cortez list or considering your runing a single non deathstar DCA unit why do you run cortez and a single DCA+LR in a GK list ? lack of synergy + eating up of points[in the case of GM+paladin huge one . in the case of cortez+DCA+LR too].

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Vindicator range is 24, shouldn't be too hard to kill them with the vindicare before they get into range.

 

I know everyone is addicted to rifleman dreads but an oldfashiioned Tl-Las dread can be useful in these situations.

 

I honestly don't know what my deal is. Anytime I get near those Vindicators via deepstrike or trying to move up through cover, I roll the worst I could and he has at least one of them left to say goodbye. ;)

 

I have also heard that the Vindicare is great against necrons, but I have to play against any- is there any truth to that?

 

Some necron lists rely heavily on those tech things (can't remember the name) who are 1 wound models in the squad. Vindicares kill them easily.

[*Furyou Miko]

TL-AC is statistically better against AV12 than TL-LC, then you go and make it S8 which boosts the AC's weakness and makes it true for AV13. THat's why people take ACs rather than Lascannons.

 

BCK - you mean Crypteks, and a list that requires its Crypteks will usually double them up with Res Lords to get that 4+ Everliving roll.

[shortysl]

I have also heard that the Vindicare is great against necrons, but I have to play against any- is there any truth to that?

 

Not sure about that, i haven't had the honour, but my regular gaming opponent does have a Necron army that he's yet to use since the new codex came out. As soon as he stops trying to overrun me with his Orks, i'll let you know.