Lord Sesslec Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Hey guys a quick question. I used Sammael on Jetbike for the first time today and my and I couldn't wok out whether he could fire both plasma cannon and twin-linked bolsters in the same turn. Any ideas? Conceptually, I would say he could, but the rules seems to suggest otherwise. Relentless just alters being able move a shoot, as far as I can see. Also, as a follow up, how do you play your Sammael? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAM77 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 This was apparently an oversight on JJ's part when he wrote the codex, but, yes Sammy can only fire one of his weapons per turn since he is a single figure, and not a vehicle (unlike an attack bike, while still not classified as a vehicle it can fire TL bolters and heavy weapon in the same turn, since it has 2 crew). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 CAM 77 is right about the choice of weapons. As to how you run Sammy, it primarily depends on the rest of your army. The speeder can prove to be a useful distraction as it's AV14, but the jetbike can be very useful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sesslec Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 Thanks guys. I really do hope they change this in the new codex, Its such a good looking model. Am I also right in thinking that you can't actually attach him to another squad of Ravenwing because he's not a normal bike. I do apologise if these seem like simple questions, but it just seems like massive oversight for him to be unable to fire both weapons and and join another squad. I suppose I'm kind of hoping I've missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil eyeball Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 This thread is good, I just ordered a Samael jetbike to the local shop today, he says it will be in by friday B) I hope so I want to build this sexyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I have the metal one still in its box,i am intimidated paintwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Angel Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Lets see some Sammies in this thread! I'll start. (also he's one of my favorit models!) http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk177/Azie/DSCN5012.jpg http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk177/Azie/DSCN5011.jpg DA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwulf Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Nice paint job! I love the blue wash around the jet exhaust, and the green radar display looks fantastic! That's the Finecrap version, right? 'Cuz there is no way that is the metal model on a plastic flight peg. I got mine when they first game out, assembled it, and was so disappointed in the fit and amount of work I had to put in the thing. Bad mold lines, gaps, lots of green stuff. On top of that, there is the stand- it's a bit unbalanced and there is no way a plastic peg for the flight stand will work. :D I got a little irked. Then I started getting into his rules... no Independent Character? Can't fire both weapons? Changes to the way Plasma Cannons work? Toughness 4? 3 wounds? I'm paying how many points for this guy and he does what for my army? I wrapped him up and placed him in a box. The Speeder version is much more user friendly. It's a shame really, as it's a fantastic model and I can only hope we get a unit of Jet Bikes in the next codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Thanks guys. I really do hope they change this in the new codex, Its such a good looking model. Am I also right in thinking that you can't actually attach him to another squad of Ravenwing because he's not a normal bike. I do apologise if these seem like simple questions, but it just seems like massive oversight for him to be unable to fire both weapons and and join another squad. I suppose I'm kind of hoping I've missed something. It's nothing to do with not being a normal bike, it's just that he doesn't have the Independent Character special rule and so counts as a unit in his own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Angel Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Nope thats the old metal one, i bought it the day it came out, and I feel our pain with the gaps and the base i had to cut the peg down to fit and sand it till it was snug in the huge hole in the botom of the model. As for playability I'm on the fence between the two. I find without armour saturation the av 14 speeders is easy pickings for lascannons and meltas. Also the jetbike is great for tieing up longfangs and the such. It really boils down to playstyle imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidlessPraetor Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Totally agree that it comes down to playstyle and army-wide synergy. I like to use mine for a counter-attacking close combatant, so only the jetbike works for that. Once, I played a doubles game with him; opponents were IG and 'nilla marines. After Cato Sicarius had his transport popped, I used Sammael's cannon on the command squad, killing everyone except Sicarius himself. I charged him, and killed him over the course of 2 assault phases. After the assault, I was free to move him at the beginning of my turn; so I positioned him to put a plasma round into the tail pipe of a Leman Russ Demolisher... Look on both of the other players' faces: priceless =) I find the best uses I've gotten out of him are when there are actual LoS blocking pieces of terrain on the board. I find that's hard to get in any LGS, so I tend to pack my own with my army lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sesslec Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 He is such a sweet model, but having only used him once I was perhaps a little careless and ended up in a Tau firing line. LoS blocking terrain is really hard to come by in most places, having used a reaver Jetbike army lately I really feel your pain. I haven't painted Sammael up yet, but here's a couple of my squad Sgts on my local GW Facebook page. Not the best photos of them, but I'm struggling to upload anything on here. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=303408229733402&set=a.303408103066748.69509.109316305809263&type=3&permPage=1 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=303...&permPage=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil eyeball Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Can anyone tell me if there have been changes made to him for the finecast such that he fits better? I have ordered one of these and it should be in later this week, I'm curious to know if i will also have such problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sesslec Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 From experience, this was the best quality finecast model I've had. It went together really well and has minimal bubbles. One change I did make, was to magnetise his left wrist with 2mm x 0.5mm ( i think that was the size) magnets, because I was worried that after time that sword arm would break off. As it stands, the magnets just look like the cuff that was there previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil eyeball Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I was going to chop his head off and magnetize that... I love his head. And with the first RW Battleforce i got I magnetized a speeder with Magnets on the back doors for Typhoon launchers/Shield of night Magnet in the gunner place for Heavy bolter, Multi Melta, Twin Linked Heavy Bolter Magnet under the front for Assault cannon, Heavy Flamer, Twin linked assault cannon Magnet in the driver arm for Driver arm/Samael sword arm Magnet in driver neck for Driver head/samael head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAM77 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Can anyone tell me if there have been changes made to him for the finecast such that he fits better? I have ordered one of these and it should be in later this week, I'm curious to know if i will also have such problems. I've got this finecast model as well, and I agree, it is the best one I've seen. No bubbles or defects of any kind that I can notice on mine, and the fit seems good on all the pieces. Maybe I just got lucky, since I've also bought some truly horrible finecast, but for me, this one turned out really well. Now I just wish that such a beautiful and expensive model had some better rules :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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