shin-ryu-ken Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 So I'm wanting to do a bike army but one that is close combat/assualt oriented. I'm considering running 2 X 5 man grey hunter squads in razorbacks to tank hunt/tie up squads and fill my 2 troop slots and then 5 man Wolf Guard squads all on bikes supported by various HQ's on bikes. Anyone got any experience/better ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I would say from a personal and fun pov - Epic. and if done right then it could probably work - the key downfall would be that you're paying out 53pts per WG on bike before any special weaponry etc. - so 10 = 530pts gone so you WILL be outnumbered even by regular marine forces and specialist eldar etc. let alone those who regularly outnumber us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 You could take Logan, toss him in a unit of your choice, then have Wolf Guard bikers as troops with a few other HQ's on bikes riding around. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 i would just take 3 units of swift claws with blood claws as troops. then its fluffy and bikey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Just my opinion here, but I'd say hell no; not a chance. You are paying 53 points per model prior to any upgrades; that is completely ridiculous for what you get. You're paying Paladin prices for an individual model that can't compete with a Paladin (as just one example). Although they get the elevated Toughness, theyre still just Marines with 1 Wound, and no more effective than a base Wolf Guard that only costs 18 points. Regards, V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I agree with Valerian. Another analogy is that you're spending more for a WG on a bike than a single TWC model. Put those two side by side and compare stats/abilities, then get back to us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Would be something I would consider if 6th edition allows bikes to mount twin linked plasma guns. :drool: However in 5th it would be a highly tactical game with a steep learning curve. If you put in some swiftclaws with attack bikes and support them with a HQ on a bike and you can make a good go of it. There are some good threads on the subject. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 If you want to play a bike army, play Codex Marines. They're not an assault army (except for the tooled up command squads) and they're not a top tier army, but they're fast and fun (well except for when you get tabled by a Space Wolf army after putting a single wound on the thunderwolf Wolf Lord). For the record, a bike squad (five man, two meltaguns, power fist and attack bike with multi-melta) costs 235 points. That's slightly less than 5 Wolf Guard on bikes with no upgrades. The command squad (three lightning claws, hammer, two meltaguns, four storm shields) at 360 points is about the same cost as four biker Wolf Guard with wolf claw and storm shield (372). Space Wolves do a few things, but bike based armies are not one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I would actually say take 2 Swift claws with WG each and a TWC squad with a WL on TW. Then have your Razorback squads and then either Vindicators or Predators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Khine has a point here. I'm using one bike squad, usually five Swiftclaws with flamer and Power Weapon, + MM Attack Bike + Wolf Guard with a fist. They don't cost me arm and leg, are fairly tough and usually get to charge and cut their way through their targets. I'm planning to build a second similar squad for my Great Company. Thunderwolves mix greatly with bikes, beacause they are a fire magnet and can withstand it much better than bikes. And I would use 3 squads of GH if only points permit, one of them being 8 GH + WG + Rune Priest, all in a Rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3063848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I wouldnt use a full squad of wolfguard on bikes or even half a squad. I have a squad of swiftclaws i like to use. Full squad with attack bike, a wolf guard on a bike, and a wolf priest on a bike so i can get TONS of rerolls. They decimate on a charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3064101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongfu Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Let me give you some advice as someone who uses bikes in my Space Wolves. Wolfguard can be amazing on bikes, however, to make them survivalable you might end up paying upwards of 100 points per model. With one wound, true toughness 4, and those pesky 1s on terrain test... its not worth it mate. I run two packs of swiftclaws that have a powerfist, meltagun and multimelta attack bike. They are either led by WG, WGBL, a Wolf Lord, or even a Rune Priest (this can be fun with jaws and storm). They basically act like glass daggers. I point them at something big and it dies, but they won't last long soon after. If you can swing it, try target saturation. Two swiftclaw squads and two land raider (my regular list) makes sure they are spreading out their heavy hitting weapons. It really helps when you can use them in tandem, ie, the bikes take out enemy transports and what is inside the raider charges into them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3065354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shin-ryu-ken Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Cheers for the comments guys, all pretty fair points. Maybe vanilla dex is a better choice then. I am planning on my riders having spears and would have liked to have fielded them as assualty types. Swiftclaw bike squads might be the way forwards but the ws 3 really bugs me for some reason, doesnt fit with my armies fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3065381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 The list I took to Adepticon used HQ's on bikes. I took Logan and 5 Termies (Arjac) 2 units of Grey Hunters. Lord, W. Priest, R. Priest all on bikes, 5 Long Fangs. I had a ton of fun with this list. Alot of people looked at and thought cakewalk....then got hit by it. I am also doing a hybrid loganwing with some of the WG on bikes and it does pretty well. You just have to be smart and avoid mass shooting. Yes the are overcosted. I play what I want not what is the most effeicent. That is what kills this game in my opinion. Lists don't win games, practice with lists wins games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3065387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 The list I took to Adepticon used HQ's on bikes. I took Logan and 5 Termies (Arjac) 2 units of Grey Hunters. Lord, W. Priest, R. Priest all on bikes, 5 Long Fangs. I had a ton of fun with this list. Alot of people looked at and thought cakewalk....then got hit by it. I am also doing a hybrid loganwing with some of the WG on bikes and it does pretty well. You just have to be smart and avoid mass shooting. Yes they are overcosted. I play what I want not what is the most effeicent. That is what kills this game in my opinion. Lists don't win games, practice with lists wins games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3065388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 A highlight of a bike list I put together because of this thread. WL on bike TH/SS Rune Priest joins GH in RB 2 WG on Bikes CM/TH joins SCB 1 & 2 Arjac joins GH squad 1 8 man GH unit in DP / Melta Gun, MotW, WS joined by Arjac 10 man GH Plasma Pod in DP / 2 Plasma Guns, 1 PP, MotW, WS 10 man GH Plasma Pod in DP / 2 Plasma Guns, 1 PP, MotW, WS 5 man GH in RB / Plasma Gun RB with TLLC 5 man WS with Melta Gun 5 MB 3 SWB Flamer + AB w HB 3 SWB MG - 1 with PF + AB w MM Pred TLLC Lascannon spons Pred Dakka. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3065441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I like it. I have used the small unit of wolf guard with a lord before and like it. They die to easy without a more robust unit around them but they do the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252545-wolf-guard-bike-army/#findComment-3066057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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