A power fist on a Grey Hunter...

[Zackya7x]

Hey guys,

 

My Grey Hunter packs (10 man squad) are equipped with: x2 meltaguns, a wolf standard, and a Mark of the Wulfen

I was wondering whether or not to add a power fist on one of them or should I just save the point and give to a Wolf guard without adding him to the pack? Thanks!

[hendrik]

it all depends on the rest of your list and your personal taste. i myself tend to pick 8-9 man grey hunter packs+ wolf guard pack leader as i find the LD9 immensly usefull aswell as the ability to have at least 2 PF attacks every turn. on a grey hunter i find 25pts for only one S8 attack a tad too expensive, hence i usually give my grey hunters a powerweapon

[Zackya7x]

I'm afraid I don't understand...

[Toasterfree]

you have to weigh how you like to play, with how effective its going to be. i ahve found that the PF on a GH isnt TO expensive, but sometimes a must.

 

im about to find out this weekend if i need to make room for some fists. hopefully i have enough guns.

[MalachiOfRuss]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

[Toasterfree]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

[Zackya7x]

So, which is better overall? Won't I get an extra meltagun if I stick with the 10 man squad? And also, should I get two 2 meltaguns or 1 meltagun and 1 plasma gun? I'm going for an all around build which is flexible and can handle any type of game.

[Valerian]

So, which is better overall?

 

In this case, there is no such thing as "better overall." As the other fellas have been trying to tell you, it depends. It depends on the rest of your list, your own style of play, and ultimately your preferences. Would the extra 25 points spent to give a Hunter a Power Fist be a waste? Probably not. But, you might be able to use those points more effectively elsewhere. It depends.

 

Won't I get an extra meltagun if I stick with the 10 man squad?

 

Well, you certainly can, and should since the second one is free. You'd be silly not to. However, you may decide that it is worth sacrificing that second free special weapon in order to squeeze in a Wolf Guard- he allows you to get a Combi-weapon, and provides extra Leadership, and an extra close combat attack for a Special Close Combat Weapon.

 

Neither approach is difinitively better than the other. If you ask the question here in the Fang (don't bother, it has been asked already dozens of times over the past two years) you'll get about an even mix of proponents for either approach. Some prefer the Wolf Guard, others don't bother. The thing is, this particular choice is all about your personal preferences.

 

And also, should I get two 2 meltaguns or 1 meltagun and 1 plasma gun?

Don't ever put 1 plasmagun and 1 meltagun in the same unit; they aren't really complimentary weapons. There is nothing at all wrong, however, in creating one pack with double Meltaguns, and a second pack with double Plasmaguns. That is actually a very effective approach, especially if you have distinct roles in mind for each of the two units.

 

I'm going for an all around build which is flexible and can handle any type of game.

 

Have you looked at the guide that is linked in my signature, below?

 

Valerian

[Zackya7x]

Wow, thank you very being so helpful! Yes, I'm checking it now. Thank you, again.

 

If I stick a Wolf Guard with a pack of 9 Grey Hunters, what should I equip him with?

[kemd12812baby]

I think that the reason why players only take a 9-man Gray Hunter squad and then the Wolf Guard is so that they will all fit into a Rhino.

[Toasterfree]

i am testing one flamer and one metla this weekend at a tourney. i think it will give me the flexible that i want. gives me anti xenos and anti armor, and if i fire them both i still get to assualt.

 

i do have a double plasma unit that i can use either as a defensive unit, or an offensie unit in a drop pod.

 

if you are going with 9 men you need to have a defined role for them to arm them properly, if they are going to be an anti infantry unit you need something like plasma or a flamer, if they are going to be anti tank either melta or plasma (plasma will give them good ability against both armor 11 and infantry but will lack at AV 12 and 13). do you give them a PW or a PF? do you stick that WG in with a combi weapon and what kind? questions that you need to answer what that units role is and how to best execute it

[Zackya7x]

I guess I'll just stick with the 10 man squad.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

 

The fist is five points cheaper, the dude is three points more, so you save two points.

[hendrik]

even if you stick with the 10 man pack i would highly suggest you give them a powerweapon instead of the fist. the grey hunter with a powerfist will get only 1 attack in combat, 2 is he's charging/counterattacking. a grey hunter with a powerweapon on the other hand has two powerweapon attacks (1 from the profile+ 1 for the bolt pistol) and even 3 when charging/counterattacking.personally i think 25 pts is just too much for a single S8 attack, in fact, for 25 pts that's another long fang for one of my packs who'll carry a S8 weapon

[Toasterfree]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

 

The fist is five points cheaper, the dude is three points more, so you save two points.

OMG! I will just right on some two point upgrades then..... :D

[Zackya7x]

even if you stick with the 10 man pack i would highly suggest you give them a powerweapon instead of the fist. the grey hunter with a powerfist will get only 1 attack in combat, 2 is he's charging/counterattacking. a grey hunter with a powerweapon on the other hand has two powerweapon attacks (1 from the profile+ 1 for the bolt pistol) and even 3 when charging/counterattacking.personally i think 25 pts is just too much for a single S8 attack, in fact, for 25 pts that's another long fang for one of my packs who'll carry a S8 weapon

 

So 10 man squad of Grey Hunters with : x2 meltaguns, 1 wolf standard, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, and one power weapon?

[hendrik]

that's how i would roll "em.if you got the time you can do a battle between the two, purely relying on close combat to see what workout you like most in the end :P

[Kizzdougs]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

 

The fist is five points cheaper, the dude is three points more, so you save two points.

OMG! I will just right on some two point upgrades then..... :P

 

Two points cheaper with +1A and +1LD. Plus the option of a combi weapon.

[Toasterfree]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

 

The fist is five points cheaper, the dude is three points more, so you save two points.

OMG! I will just right on some two point upgrades then..... :P

 

Two points cheaper with +1A and +1LD. Plus the option of a combi weapon.

ive run it. ive tried it. but i dont fail leaderships that often. the combi weapon rarely pays off. the investment that i am going to make in that guy will only earn points back in close combat. the times that i have used him, I have had to avoid CC because if i tried, i wouldnt have made it due to high AP weapons and more of those weapons than there are of me.

 

its not BAD advise. but after you pay the 18+power fist+combi weapon IMHO =/= another guy (GH).

[Karack Blackstone]

I personally go WGPL + PF, BP.

 

Nice and cheap, can't prevent the assault due to rapid-fire on a Combi-Plas, and all around just nice and cheap for what one needs.

 

OP, a Fist is really better on the WG for the following reasons:

- Higher Ld (by +1)

- More base Attacks (2 vs. 1)

- More options if needed

- If one wants, a MB for the pack (If one hits, can save points and not take it)

 

10, as in 9+1, will fit in a Rhino and nice in the price range. Not great, but toss in a MG, MoW, and maybe a PW (to player's taste), not too shabby.

[Kassill]

I also run 7-8 man Grey Hunter packs and then attach a WG with the Power Fist. If you compare a GH with PF to the cost of a WG with PF, the WG is actually 2 points cheaper. If you give him a combi-weapon then you can still have a second special weapon (albeit one-shot) in the squad, "effectively" only costing you 3 points. It's a good deal.

the fist is cheaper, but the dud is 3 points more, so really that fist is 1 more point

 

The fist is five points cheaper, the dude is three points more, so you save two points.

OMG! I will just right on some two point upgrades then..... <_<

 

Two points cheaper with +1A and +1LD. Plus the option of a combi weapon.

ive run it. ive tried it. but i dont fail leaderships that often. the combi weapon rarely pays off. the investment that i am going to make in that guy will only earn points back in close combat. the times that i have used him, I have had to avoid CC because if i tried, i wouldnt have made it due to high AP weapons and more of those weapons than there are of me.

 

its not BAD advise. but after you pay the 18+power fist+combi weapon IMHO =/= another guy (GH).

 

 

I guess it's who needs what and how you play. I've played with and without and I have found that I always luck out by having the Wolf Guard. Whether it's him opening up a vehicles (Combi or Fist) or really bringing the punch in cc (pun inteded) or helping out with those leadership checks (which I DO fail often :P) he really is the right man (men) for the job for my forces.

 

To the OP, I would also advice against the PF on a stock GH. Too many points for 1 str 8 hit IMO. Just avoid things that could lock you up (Dreads and other walkers and such)

[Forté]

Just to throw it out there. If your going for the WGPL, do you need 9 Hunters or does 7-8 work. Saving a few more points to use elsewhere.

[Thejokerguy]

Just to throw it out there. If your going for the WGPL, do you need 9 Hunters or does 7-8 work. Saving a few more points to use elsewhere.

From what I've seen from other people's builds, 7-8 works, personally I would go for the full 9, but I can't think of any reason other than I like having 10 man squads haha.

[Zackya7x]

So GH with a power weapon and a boltgun will do? Or a Wolf Guard with a power weapon + bolt pistol?

[the jeske]

7-8 works because people also have HQs and they have to go somewhere and a 9+WG or 10 man GH squad doesnt leave any free space for a priest.