The summoning and deep strike

[lordmetroid]

Can one use The summoning in the same turn as one deep strikes? The Summoning states you use it in the beginning of the movement phase, the problem is that the BRB doesn't say when in the movement phase one deep strikes. So the question really comes down to, are one still in the beginning of the movement phase when one has finished the deep strike?

[Toasterfree]

are they on the table before you deep strike? the beginning of the movement phase is before you do anythign else that phase. so if you have already DSd you cannot summon

[lordmetroid]

What happen was that I had a Librarian and Paladins in reserve. The first thing I did was to get the librarian deep striked and then the paladin followed immediately. Paladins scattered way far off from where I wanted them to be. So I wanted to use the summoning to get them all together.

[Toasterfree]

what was the first thing you did? was the summoning done before that?

 

 

turn order:

movement phase

at beginning of movement phase roll for reserves....

 

you didnt roll for summoning. so turn 3 you could summon them to you.

[the jeske]

arent all reserv rolls made at the same time . so there is no libby coming from reservs first , then paladins ?

[Toasterfree]

arent all reserv rolls made at the same time . so there is no libby coming from reservs first , then paladins ?

i think what he is referring to is what he brought in first. even though they all hit the table in the same turn, i always bring my stuff in the order that i roll it

[*Furyou Miko]

Yes, but despite that, they're all meant to be effectively simultaneous. Just because you don't have eight mechandendrites to do them all at the same time doesn't mean there's any effective delay. That's why you have to resolve all deep strikes / reserves rolls before activating any other abilities (like Summoning).

[lordmetroid]

But when the deep strike is finished, am I still in the beginning of the movement phase?

[Myxx]

I would say no, you are in the middle of the movement phase.

[*Furyou Miko]

Depends, how many other things need to be resolved?

 

This crops up a lot in Necron armies where there are often two or three things that all have to be resolved at once - Imotehk's Night Fight, Orikan's Stars are Right, Deep Strike, Zahndrek's Adaptive Counter-tactics... all dealt with "at the start of the movement phase". The way we run it is that the "start of the movement phase" can't end until all powers and effects that must be resolved have been resolved.

 

In your case, if you HAD to resolve deep strike before you could use The Summoning, then you'd never be able to use The Summoning unless you had no reserves left to roll for, because you wouldn't be at the start of the movement phase any more.

[the jeske]

and all of the necron ones happen at the same time . when you resolve the last of your reserv rolls , you move to compulsory moves and you are no longer at the start of the movment phase.

[*Furyou Miko]

jeske, but that logic, you have to roll for reserves at the end of the beginning of the movement phase, which isn't stated anywhere. There is literally nothing to stop you bringing, say, Zahndrek on from reserve, then using his Adaptive Tactics on a unit that was already on the board.