News on More Heresy novels

[Artein]

GW said that they won't reveal it. Ever.

[Captain Idaho]

GW said that they won't reveal it. Ever.

 

Times change.

[A D-B]

I want to do it. Sort of. But I also don't want to do it. Sort of.

 

Because, really, what truth will ever be as interesting as the mystery? Revealing it will only spoil it for almost everyone.

[JamesI]

I want to do it. Sort of. But I also don't want to do it. Sort of.

 

Because, really, what truth will ever be as interesting as the mystery? Revealing it will only spoil it for almost everyone.

I agree.

 

I have my ideas about the missing legions and enjoy the speculation, and if it was ever official I'd feel like something was missing from the 40k universe.

 

 

Now when we get hints of rumors, like the idea that some believe the missing legions were absorbed into the Ultramarines, I love that because all it does is creates more speculation.

[Ashur]

I want to do it. Sort of. But I also don't want to do it. Sort of.

 

Because, really, what truth will ever be as interesting as the mystery? Revealing it will only spoil it for almost everyone.

 

We all enjoy the mysteries more than the truth.

I imagine it is hard to resist the tentation since you authors have the power to turn your speculations into reality.

[MadDoc]

I want to do it. Sort of. But I also don't want to do it. Sort of.

 

Because, really, what truth will ever be as interesting as the mystery? Revealing it will only spoil it for almost everyone.

And there goes A D-B showing why he is one of my favourite BL authors, not just for his writing, but because he really gets us little people. :lol:

[hobointherain]

I just wrote a massive chunk of ranty text about nick kyme but decided in hind sight that it was perhapse a bit over the top. Suffice to say I'm not his biggest fan. So, is anyone looking forward to his upcoming salamanders novel? is anyone a particular fan of his? In all fairness, I am looking forward to hearing about some HH era sallys. But is kyme going to do the series justice?

Can't wait to hear more HH stuff from abnett and ADB. I feel like their stuff, with McNiel, is really the driving force behind the whole series

[Aegnor]

I'll put my hand up to say I like Nick's books and stories. I like the Tome of Fire trilogy and look forward to him doing more stuff. There are some bits of his books and style I don't like as much as other parts of his books, but he writes interesting characters and I think has given the Sallies their own style.

 

A lot of the heat Kyme, and in the case of his Ultramarine stories Graham McNeil, cops seem to relate to his portrayal of Marines and their relationship with each other - particularly that they are prone to infighting and hating each other. I have no issue with that if the story of why is set up well enough. Lots of people seem to hate Iago in Kyme's stories in particular - my take on his character is that if they never had psychos among the ranks of marines, we'd have almost no renegades or traitor marines - but we do.

 

There are a thousand plus chapters of marines. The risk when any author fleshes them out is that people won't like HOW they're fleshes out. That's inevitable. But equally, we know those chapters are going to encompass a huge range of behaviours and attitudes, including how they behave to each other internally. And chapter characters are only what's typical for that chapter. There will be Ultramarines who like to test the limits regarding playing by the book, Salamanders who care more about winning than civilians, Blood Angels who prefer shooting things to bits rather than close combat.

[Kol Saresk]

I'd personally like to see more of Nick Kyme. I personally liked his books. There was very little I didn't like. Just like Gav Thorpe and James Swallow. I'd also like to see more of Dan Abnett's Iron Snakes too. As far as the Heresy goes, the only book I can't say I was a fan of was Prospero Burns and that's just because it took forever for me to get into it and I don't really remember a whole lot of it. Says how much it stuck in my mind. So, I don't care who it's written by, I'll read it and I'll follow the Heresy until its end, however sooner or later that will be. Although I wish the Night Lords were here already. I'd love a wallpaper for my computer already.

[hobointherain]

For me it wasn't really how he fleshed out or characterised the sallys, and I did enjoy some parts of the triology, and I actually quite like Iagon as a character. he was probably one of the more interesting characters. I think it was more of his style of writing. whereas abnett may focus on the individuals perspective and their reaction to whats going, kyme tends to take a step back and detail the battle as a whole. Which is great if you wanna see the big picture and how the dynamics of battle work, but you do get that sense of safety and distance away from the action and danger. Its kinda like, this happened over here and this many people died but over here was an important character so this and that happened. But thats just my take on it. I really dont wanna troll the guy cos he's obviously done very well with his books and has some die hard fans. i just prefer a more personal, grittier approach to writing, ala abnett and ADB

 

Once again all due respects to squire Kyme

[Noserenda]

I like Nick Kymes 40k novels but i dont think he utilises the 30k setting very well, which is a shame.

[Aegnor]

What's he done in 30K? The short "Forgotten Sons" in Age of Darkness, the Feat of Iron novella, and the limited ed. Salamanders novella? I thought Feat of Iron was good. I haven't read the Salamanders one - too expensive. Forgotten Sons was overshadowedbuy several of the other shorts in Age of Darkness - which I thought was an exceptionally strong set of short stories.

[Kol Saresk]

It would be more like he is inexperienced in 30k rather than unable to utilize the setting. Some authors adapt really fast in a new universe setting, some take a little longer to catch up. Personally, I like how he's handled himself. Then again, I'm one of those major BL fanboys. There's very little I don't like and most of it is just minor details that have no bearing on the over all story.

[Gofy]

As far as the Unknown Legions...

The info is probably in a secret vault under Games Workshop, guarded by a real Legion of Astartes, and all who have entered were vaporised.

 

Just saying that we will never know, and I for one, while interested, donot really want to know all of the story. I like that it is secret.

 

Gofy

[malika666]

As far as the Unknown Legions...

The info is probably in a secret vault under Games Workshop, guarded by a real Legion of Astartes, and all who have entered were vaporised.

 

Just saying that we will never know, and I for one, while interested, donot really want to know all of the story. I like that it is secret.

 

Gofy

 

Dan Abnett is working on a book of them, didn't you know! <_<

 

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[Phoros]

...Well played, Malika. Well played.

[MadDoc]

Come on Malika, why did you go and do that? You just know somebody is going to believe that and/or pass it on as a rumour. :D

 

What have you done? ^_^

[Apothecary Vaddon]

If you find a link to a believer, pass it on.

 

As far as the Unknown Legions...

The info is probably in a secret vault under Games Workshop, guarded by a real Legion of Astartes, and all who have entered were vaporised.

 

Just saying that we will never know, and I for one, while interested, donot really want to know all of the story. I like that it is secret.

 

Gofy

I doubt they ever bothered to even create that info. I'm not blasting them for laziness or anything like that - it's just what I would've done. Don't even write it in anywhere, and everyone gets to use their imagination to do whatever the heck they want.

[ale0x]

I absolutely loathe almost everything I've read by Nick Kyme. I don't mean it as a personal slight to the guy, but his writing always seems to come off as some sort of fan-written dramatization of a battle report. He (like alot of other people in the 40k fiction business, unfortunately) fails to realize that detailed descriptions of fighting are pretty much the LEAST interesting thing you could be writing about.

 

Feat of Iron was almost intolerable...I stopped about a quarter of the way through because it was so goddamned bogged-down in battle nonsense. A friend of mine had to convince me that it was worth finishing to get to the more personal bits involving Ferrus Manus. I grudgingly slogged through the rest of it but came away utterly unimpressed.

 

I literally couldn't read Promethean Sun because it, once again, was mired down in unnecessary descriptions of battle.

 

When good writers (Abnett, ADB, McNeil) write a battle, do you see them focusing on the designations of weapons and armor? Getting lost in the minutiae of the wargear and stuff? No. They paint an energetic, concise and abstract picture of the chaos of battle and leave you with an overall IMPRESSION of events which tends to carry alot more weight than telling us every little thing that is happening.

 

The only story I really enjoyed from Kyme was the audio drama "Fireborn" and even that devolved from an intriguing and interesting story with a very strong opening into another tired old bout of fighting.

 

I understand that people want some War in their Warhammer fiction, but it doesn't have to be so formulaic. Know No Fear (despite its unusual format and in some cases BECAUSE of it) is a good example...it showcases some pretty monumental devastation and conflict, but rarely do you find a 20 page description of people fighting.

 

:/

[Warsmith Aznable]

Feat of Iron was almost intolerable...

 

I like the Salamanders trilogy up until the very end of the last book, at which point it got a bit silly. I like the idea of Feat of Iron, but not so much how it played out. In fact I only finished it out of stubbornness.

 

But, as I hammer on in nearly every HH thread I post in, I am dying to know more about Perturabo and the Iron Warriors. I really hope the EC/IW book showcases my favorite Legion well instead of making them the sideshow. I've heard there won't be anymore Primarch origin stories (I think AD-B said that here), which I think is a shame. I'd like to read origin stories for all of them, really.

 

Because I just finished the Ultramarines second omnibus I'm also jazzed about more information on the Battle of Calth. I don't remember how much, if any, reference might have been found in Know No Fear, but I think it's cool to put 30k and 40k books together like the Titanicus and Mechanicum books.

 

Somewhere on the first page I think someone quoted Dan Abnett on Trooper Persson saying that they wouldn't put them in there if they weren't going to do something with them, which immediately makes me think of the Thunder Warrior and friends from the Outcast Dead book. I'd like to know more about them, too.

[Hyaenidae]

But, as I hammer on in nearly every HH thread I post in, I am dying to know more about Perturabo and the Iron Warriors. I really hope the EC/IW book showcases my favorite Legion well instead of making them the sideshow.

 

Iron Warriors and White Scars. Both has been almost utterly ignored, except bits and pieces scattered throughout the whole damn series. Personally, I'm hoping Rob Sanders gets the first Iron Warriors book (he's swiftly becoming a favorite author of mine, thanks to The Iron Within and The Serpent Beneath short stories), and Dan Abnett gets the Scars (because I think he could really breathe some life into this much-maligned and ignored Legion)

[Apothecary Vaddon]

But, as I hammer on in nearly every HH thread I post in, I am dying to know more about Perturabo and the Iron Warriors. I really hope the EC/IW book showcases my favorite Legion well instead of making them the sideshow.

 

Iron Warriors and White Scars. Both has been almost utterly ignored, except bits and pieces scattered throughout the whole damn series. Personally, I'm hoping Rob Sanders gets the first Iron Warriors book (he's swiftly becoming a favorite author of mine, thanks to The Iron Within and The Serpent Beneath short stories), and Dan Abnett gets the Scars (because I think he could really breathe some life into this much-maligned and ignored Legion)

WS have been truly and utterly ignored. I think one member showed up briefly in one of the opening three books of the HH, right? Something about 'hai how r u k thx bai' and then that was it.

[Cyrox]

I hope Dan Abnett doesn't get White Scars, i'd like to see someone else have a crack at it

 

Abnetts style would be lost on White Scars i think, i can see it being similar to Prospero Burns

[Hyaenidae]

May I ask why you feel that way? Just out of curiousity....

[ale0x]

Rob Sanders CRUSHED those short stories, yeah. The Iron Within was refreshing and awesome...Serpent Beneath was a mind:cuss and totally brilliant and fitting of the Alpha Legion legacy.

 

Give that man more work! :)