brainwashed Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I was going to have my new Wolf Lord on a Thunder Wolf join my new 15 strong Fenrisian Wolf pack. I can't see any risks to doing this, but wanted to ask if I need to be aware of anything. Both the Lord and the Wolves and the Thunder Wolf mount have fleet, and can assault 24" max which is great so neither unit will affect the others charge range, or the ability to Sweeping Advance, etc that I'm aware of. When my opponent shoots at the Lord can he be picked out or will be be 'hidden' in the Wolf unit as an IC that has joined the unit? In close combat the Lord and be picked up due to his different stat line, but other than that am I missing anything obvious I should keep in mind when joining the Lord to the Wolves? Sorry for the noobish question but I've been away from the game for an entire game edition and am just now coming back and getting some games in. thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Both the Lord and the Wolves and the Thunder Wolf mount have fleet, and can assault 24" max which is great so neither unit will affect the others charge range, or the ability to Sweeping Advance, etc that I'm aware of. you mean move 6, fleet 6, charge 12 right? cause thats not a 24 inch charge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainwashed Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yes. Move 6", Fleet for D6" and charge 12". Sorry I wasn't clear. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 When my opponent shoots at the Lord can he be picked out or will be be 'hidden' in the Wolf unit as an IC that has joined the unit? no he cannot be targeted out unless the shooting unit has a special rule that allows him to. In close combat the Lord and be picked up due to his different stat line, but other than that am I missing anything obvious I should keep in mind when joining the Lord to the Wolves? he can be targeted out just due to being an IC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I was going to have my new Wolf Lord on a Thunder Wolf join my new 15 strong Fenrisian Wolf pack. I can't see any risks to doing this, but wanted to ask if I need to be aware of anything. Both the Lord and the Wolves and the Thunder Wolf mount have fleet, and can assault 24" max which is great so neither unit will affect the others charge range, or the ability to Sweeping Advance, etc that I'm aware of. When my opponent shoots at the Lord can he be picked out or will be be 'hidden' in the Wolf unit as an IC that has joined the unit? In close combat the Lord and be picked up due to his different stat line, but other than that am I missing anything obvious I should keep in mind when joining the Lord to the Wolves? Sorry for the noobish question but I've been away from the game for an entire game edition and am just now coming back and getting some games in. thanks! The majority Toughness and Initiative rule is the only ones which should gimp you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerhef Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Morale checks combined with IG psykers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I was going to have my new Wolf Lord on a Thunder Wolf join my new 15 strong Fenrisian Wolf pack. I can't see any risks to doing this, but wanted to ask if I need to be aware of anything. Both the Lord and the Wolves and the Thunder Wolf mount have fleet, and can assault 24" max which is great so neither unit will affect the others charge range, or the ability to Sweeping Advance, etc that I'm aware of. When my opponent shoots at the Lord can he be picked out or will be be 'hidden' in the Wolf unit as an IC that has joined the unit? In close combat the Lord and be picked up due to his different stat line, but other than that am I missing anything obvious I should keep in mind when joining the Lord to the Wolves? Sorry for the noobish question but I've been away from the game for an entire game edition and am just now coming back and getting some games in. thanks! The majority Toughness and Initiative rule is the only ones which should gimp you. What is the Initiative rule, and how can it gimp him? Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I was going to have my new Wolf Lord on a Thunder Wolf join my new 15 strong Fenrisian Wolf pack. I can't see any risks to doing this, but wanted to ask if I need to be aware of anything. Both the Lord and the Wolves and the Thunder Wolf mount have fleet, and can assault 24" max which is great so neither unit will affect the others charge range, or the ability to Sweeping Advance, etc that I'm aware of. When my opponent shoots at the Lord can he be picked out or will be be 'hidden' in the Wolf unit as an IC that has joined the unit? In close combat the Lord and be picked up due to his different stat line, but other than that am I missing anything obvious I should keep in mind when joining the Lord to the Wolves? Sorry for the noobish question but I've been away from the game for an entire game edition and am just now coming back and getting some games in. thanks! The majority Toughness and Initiative rule is the only ones which should gimp you. What is the Initiative rule, and how can it gimp him? Valerian It's pretty much the same thing as the Toughness rule except for Close Combat instead of shooting. If (a big if, granted) the combined unit should loose close combat and fail the Morale check the unit would use the Wolves Initiative of 4 for the Sweeping Advance test instead of the Lords 5, gimping his chances to break off combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Morale checks combined with IG psykers At least they will benefit from the Wolfkin special rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 It's pretty much the same thing as the Toughness rule except for Close Combat instead of shooting. If (a big if, granted) the combined unit should loose close combat and fail the Morale check the unit would use the Wolves Initiative of 4 for the Sweeping Advance test instead of the Lords 5, gimping his chances to break off combat. Yeah, I can't see how that is really going to gimp them as, with ATSKNF, they can't be Swept anyway. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 It's pretty much the same thing as the Toughness rule except for Close Combat instead of shooting. If (a big if, granted) the combined unit should loose close combat and fail the Morale check the unit would use the Wolves Initiative of 4 for the Sweeping Advance test instead of the Lords 5, gimping his chances to break off combat. Yeah, I can't see how that is really going to gimp them as, with ATSKNF, they can't be Swept anyway. V Still gotta take those extra No Retreat! wounds (and the Wolves have a 6+ Save). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 if you're spending 120 pts on wolves, you can find the extra 15 points somewhere for the saga of the wolfkin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 It's pretty much the same thing as the Toughness rule except for Close Combat instead of shooting. If (a big if, granted) the combined unit should loose close combat and fail the Morale check the unit would use the Wolves Initiative of 4 for the Sweeping Advance test instead of the Lords 5, gimping his chances to break off combat. Yeah, I can't see how that is really going to gimp them as, with ATSKNF, they can't be Swept anyway. V Still gotta take those extra No Retreat! wounds (and the Wolves have a 6+ Save). They don't take No Retreat wounds; that only comes into play if they are Fearless. ATSKNF means they can still fail morale and attempt to break away, but if they can't, they don't get swept. Nothing bad happens- they don't have to take NR wounds. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 It's pretty much the same thing as the Toughness rule except for Close Combat instead of shooting. If (a big if, granted) the combined unit should loose close combat and fail the Morale check the unit would use the Wolves Initiative of 4 for the Sweeping Advance test instead of the Lords 5, gimping his chances to break off combat. Yeah, I can't see how that is really going to gimp them as, with ATSKNF, they can't be Swept anyway. V Still gotta take those extra No Retreat! wounds (and the Wolves have a 6+ Save). They don't take No Retreat wounds; that only comes into play if they are Fearless. ATSKNF means they can still fail morale and attempt to break away, but if they can't, they don't get swept. Nothing bad happens- they don't have to take NR wounds. V You may want to refamiliarize yourself with "And They Shall Known No Fear", then : "If Space Marines are caught by a sweeping advance, they are not destroyed and will instead continue to fight normally. If this happens then the unit is subject to the No Retreat! rule in this round of close combat and might therefore suffer additional casualties." - C:SM, Pg.51 / C:SW, Pg.24 / C:GK, Pg.21 / C:BA, Pg.23 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Yes, I guess I do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainwashed Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 if you're spending 120 pts on wolves, you can find the extra 15 points somewhere for the saga of the wolfkin The Wolf Lord has Saga of the Warrior Born himself, butI do have Saga of the Wolfkin taken on a different HQ choice. Thanks for all the helpful replies. This thread is helping me be aware of the ups and downs of trying to run my Wolf Lord with the Fenrisian Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3066981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 always take Wolfkin if taking wolves, not even bothered about the extra leadership (as theyd take morale on the attached lords leadership surely?) - 45 I5 attacks on the charge are hilarious/horrific :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252741-thunder-wolf-lord-joining-a-fenrisian-wolf-pack/#findComment-3067000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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