Watch-commander Albus Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 In the story about the Dark Angels at Perditus another tank or very heavy Armored Personnel Carrier was mentioned: a Mastodon. Does anybody know what a Mastodon should look like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 i have no idea what it should look like but ill say some where between a predator and a land raider predator's main weapon on it at least towards the back with the troop compartment at front with an assault ramp and possibly with sponson weapons on the front Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 From the description it sounded a lot larger than a land raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Sounded like a a bigger Rhino - a transport/armoured personal carrier rather than a pure tank. Reckon something roughly Land Raider sized, but not as heavily armoured / armed. With maybe a "forward command post" variant that someone like a Primarch or commander would ride in, but that wouldnt normally be on at the forefront of any assault. Hence we haven't seen it figuring previously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watch-commander Albus Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 Sounded like a a bigger Rhino - a transport/armoured personal carrier rather than a pure tank. Reckon something roughly Land Raider sized, but not as heavily armoured / armed. With maybe a "forward command post" variant that someone like a Primarch or commander would ride in, but that wouldnt normally be on at the forefront of any assault. Hence we haven't seen it figuring previously. At first, I thought that it would be of similar size like the Crassus Armoured Assault Carrier (from Forgeworld) only more space marine aesthetics in looks. Somewhere in that part of the book, the Mastodon is described as having four tracks beds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I thought the mastadon was described as carrying 40 marines, which would make it a lot bigger than a Rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Would be nice to see something like that in the next chaos codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3067678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Isn't the Mastodon that over-sized tank pictured on the 3rd Ed box set? There was a thread on it ages ago. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3068120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Isn't the Mastodon that over-sized tank pictured on the 3rd Ed box set? There was a thread on it ages ago. SJ Only astartes tanks on there are Blood Angels MKI Land Raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3069192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm talking about the black templer fullcover art, which shows a huge land raider styled tank in the background. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3069204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm talking about the black templer fullcover art, which shows a huge land raider styled tank in the background. SJ It's a land raider if you mean the thing on the left, didn't notice it before. Different artists give it different dimensions just like the marines themselves. The HH artbook has lots of different takes on the MKI and other vehicles in terms of proportions but the basic features are all the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3069839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 No its not. The MK1 LR is just to the right and just below this beast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3069891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobointherain Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 a mastodon has ginger hair, a huge beard and head tattoos, and plays songs about moby dick... In other news, wasn't the mastodon described as being quad tracked and pretty huge? Definately bigger than a land raider, I'd say dedicated tansport more than anything, although the description in the book was that they were quite slow, so perhaps their use was limited to transporting troops from battlefield to battlefield rather than front line service. A slow apc is a dead apc, I dont care how thick your armour is theres always some nutter waving a bunker buster about Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3070735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Kind of got that backwards. You use fast transports for movement between battles, armoured ones for movement in battles. Armoured tends to equate to "not fast" in the trade-offs between Armor, Payload, and Speed. But that's an engineering issue. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3071221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 No its not. The MK1 LR is just to the right and just below this beast. What you're referring to isn't pictured on the box I have, but I have since found it online. The bit that I saw on the box just looked like part of a building. The whole picture shows something that looks like a thunderhawk sized vindicator. http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss62/dono1979/TemplarWhat-1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3072094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Yes, that's the one! Always thought that one was a Mastodon heavy transport. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3072151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Isn't that a "Capitol Imperialis", which was from the old Epic game, and also featured in the novel "Warriors of Ultramar" by McNeil? Edit: Lexicanum Link, yeah yeah Lexicanum, but I remember them from those other sources that I can't link to as easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3072206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 The Capitol Imperialis looks the same as an Imperial Guard Leviathan heavy transport. No, I'm pretty sure that big rhomboid tracked beast is a Mastadon. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3072532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Well my crusade fleet is in need of whatever that beast is. I have always wondered since I seen that juiced up vindicator. *directs non-psychic brainwaves to Forgeworld to build this monster* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3073035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The Capitol Imperialis looks the same as an Imperial Guard Leviathan heavy transport. No, I'm pretty sure that big rhomboid tracked beast is a Mastadon. SJ Having now read the story where reference to the Mastadon appears, the tank on the 3rd ed box isn't one. The Mastadon has four tracks like the Foremost Husky. http://www.foremost.ca/index_husky.php So it has four tracks, towers above a Land Raider, and can carry 40 marines. It sounds like a marine version of the Stormlord and is probably of similar size. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3087074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Zaku Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Capitol Imperialis I've always thought that the CI looked suspiciously like a militant Jawa Dune Crawler. That thing on the BT image (I've seen it before and never questioned its existence) is more than likely the Mastadon. But I think it was a bit of retroactive canon. The image in the BT pic was probably a bit of artistic license which, years later, was made into canon by an observant BL author. That's my two crowns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3088963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordos20 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Capitol Imperialis I've always thought that the CI looked suspiciously like a militant Jawa Dune Crawler. That thing on the BT image (I've seen it before and never questioned its existence) is more than likely the Mastadon. But I think it was a bit of retroactive canon. The image in the BT pic was probably a bit of artistic license which, years later, was made into canon by an observant BL author. That's my two crowns. Somehow I disagree. Do not forget they make mention of shielding (force fields) if I recall correctly from the audio drama. Also: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Valdor_(He...k)#.T-Gr6rU0PEd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3090159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostclaw222 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Perhaps we should start a stickied thread wherein the B&C keeps track of all the new Crusade-era vehicles we're seeing? I mean, maybe just something like a round-up thread for sake of reference? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252807-another-unknown-tank-in-the-primarchs/#findComment-3190285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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