Emperor's Scourge Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Did it occur to you guys that our Wolf Scouts are the main reason we DIDN'T get the Storm Talon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Am I the only one that sees the use in one of these accompanying a unit of outflanking Wolf Scouts? :lol: Why would any Wolf Scout want their position highlighted by a noisy flying brick? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 The Stormtalon Gunship serves the armies of the Space Marines as both an interceptor and ground-attack craft. Fast enough to engage all but the swiftest of enemies, and sufficiently well-armed to reduce the chosen foe to a mangle of twisted wreckage and ruined flesh, it is a powerful addition for any Codex Chapter. This is the only thing I can find that indicates the Space Wolves wont get it. However, despite the views of some, personally I can see no fluff reason for us not to have it - must be a rules balance mechanic. Hey ho! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfen Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I think the Stormtalon's awesome. It's cool, I love new toys. I was annoyed at not being able to take Stormravens but the Stormeagle made it better. I just wish it was codex official. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow warrior Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Don't know about this thing. I would like some air support in a way like a mini Thunderhawk, just to drop troops with a support weapon. But I'm not found of this thing Stormtalon, don't know what to do with it except trying to look cool with the new hype (if we can use it) I'm disappointed by GW... why a new model and do like we all forgot about them and squeeze them in the fluff. There is a landspeeder with close compartments made as a flyer by FW THAT was more fitting (even for the wolves) then a whole new plain. Sorry but this thing sucks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pall Ironbear Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I don't quite agree with the whole doesn't fit in with astartes mentality. Especially with the latest BL fluff, VI Legion being the executioners of empires "We were bred to perform the tasks that no other Legion could, to fight with such extravegance that even our brother warriors would shrink in the knowledge of what we, the Rout, would do to them." and the older fluff of some Long Fangs and an Iron Priest pimping their ride, it makes even more sense to me that the Rout would use the equipment best suited to the task. If that included a gunship then so be it... ...that and the fact I still have one of the Space marine minis holding a shuriken catapult from back in the day, that I'd love to legally field again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3070858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 but you're talking of the sixth mate! when astartes were still gods who had to answer to their primarch and the emperor only. after the heresy the astartes saw their might deminished,not just because of losses throughout the heresy, but by the fat that the high lords of terra forced them to give up certain aspects. it's actually quite easy, they don't want to have 1 superior fighting force, not the guard, not the imperial navy,not the astartes, because they know all of them could poten tially turn on them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 as hendrik states - even the Adeptus Mechanicus only have certain powers now, they still have to answer to the full council of the High Lords of Terra (one of which is the High Fabricator-General, along with someone from the various institutions; Navy, Guard, Adeptus Ministorum, Adeptus Eclessiarchy) and someone (although I'd say more than just one) to represent the might of the Adeptus Astartes all make up the full Adeptus Terra. I simply can not see why space marines have need of this; and more to the point as to why only Codex Chapters would have access to it; much like the Storm-Chicken and Storm-Eagle, it should be allowed to all; if even the likes of the Relictors or Fire Lords (both of whom are considered close to renegade and watched by the Inquisition) then surely the First Founding Legions and their successors would also have access, be they Codex (BA, Smurfs, WS, IH, Sallies or IF) or outside Codex organisations (DA, Wolves or BT). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffeh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 they can keep there 80's GI joe models My thoughts exactly to my gaming chums... Even posted a link to the HAVOC on our community page ;-) Only difference is I have a Thunderhawk - so anything they've released is inferior Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 if we get it yea if we do not so be it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 We won't, it's available on GW site as a SM option. Well, maybe next time. There could be 2nd wave of flyers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Fluff never translates properly onto the tabletop. The (I think) primary reason, as was mentioned before, that we did not gain access to the Storm Talon is purely for game balance. The ability to put a unit of Wolf Scouts AND Storm Talon on any table edge on a 3+ is a little too much, particularly when you consider that our army doesn't have a lot of units to fill the Fast Attack slot anyways. The Storm Talon was given only to the standard Codex to give it a more competitive edge with more tricks to pull (like Outflanking Scouts in Storm with a Storm Talon...or Kor'sarro Khan and outflanking Assault Terminators in Land Raiders with Storm Talons, or outflanking Bike Squads...you get the picture). DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pall Ironbear Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 but you're talking of the sixth mate! when astartes were still gods who had to answer to their primarch and the emperor only. after the heresy the astartes saw their might deminished,not just because of losses throughout the heresy, but by the fat that the high lords of terra forced them to give up certain aspects. it's actually quite easy, they don't want to have 1 superior fighting force, not the guard, not the imperial navy,not the astartes, because they know all of them could poten tially turn on them True enough, but with the other fluff, it's hard to to see a Legion (now chapter) give up some of their core principals so easily. They didn't bow to the Codex, and still haven't after 10k years. Willing to question other Imperial factions, actually fire upon them to maintain their postion. So from my reading into the fluff ( and yeah I could be wrong), means the whole "for once we'll listen and won't have ApachesTalons" doesn't quite ring true. I would (from a fluff perspective) find it more believable if it was put across in a way like; "chapter *Blah* used to have them, but attrition over the years saw them all destroyed" etc. Rather than the "they don't like flying.............. apart from in T/hawks, battlebarges etc" or "Daddy's nurse maids told me too" Although, using the Lords of Terra angle, it doesn't say much for their opinion of vanilla marines, if they are allowed gunships B) Tabletop perspective, having an escorted scout squad would be unbalnced, but easily countered with rules. It would be, afterall, quite difficult for a Wolf Scout squad to sneak up on it's target with the flying brick hovering overhead. Just like some huge neon sign pointing to their position. Admittedly a rather academic discussion, but always good to read other's views and take on the sit-rep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeddon Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Isn't one of the rumors that all forces will be getting something? It seems to me that if we do not get a "flyer" we would get something to counteract them. A new whirlwind pattern meant to deal with aircraft; a new rule for our Longfangs that lets us target them more effectively. Bottom line, I wouldn't worry too much. We don't get this but we will get something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Isn't one of the rumors that all forces will be getting something? It seems to me that if we do not get a "flyer" we would get something to counteract them. A new whirlwind pattern meant to deal with aircraft; a new rule for our Longfangs that lets us target them more effectively. Bottom line, I wouldn't worry too much. We don't get this but we will get something else. I'm telling you guys, GW will be getting us a Flying Thunderwolf-pulled sleigh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3071992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimir Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 I'm telling you guys, GW will be getting us a Flying Thunderwolf-pulled sleigh. We'll get a Drakkar. And all the other factions will remember old prayer from the times of Viking raids: "From the fury of the Northmen release us, O Lord!" :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Dont need flyers, need good AA and call it a day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Well I think it's a truly ugly kit that hit every branch of the ugly tree on the way down, so no I don't really care. The Ork flyer on the other hand looks very good and will steal sales from FW's own Ork flyers but the Stormtalon B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Bottom line, I wouldn't worry too much. We don't get this but we will get something else. +1 vehicle idea's a drop-rhino,a flyer carrying a rhino/razor/whirl/vinny or hover rhino/razor/whirl/vinny landspeeder with aa weapons. other idea's: longfangs with a AA targeter, souts wilth aa sniperrounds or fenrisian bat's :D (bs- ws 4 st 6 t4 A2 i5 w2 ld7 ruling the sky's:when assaulting any flyer, skimmer, jumppacker or jetbike the have prefferd enemy. ore feeders: their diet consists of the ore, rocks and other minerals found on fenris their teeth are so strong and scharp that the have the rending rule on a 5+. just some very wish full thinking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Thunderwolf Cavalry Wing Upgrades. ...I'm sorry... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I want it for one reason only. I want to paint it black and white and call it "Airwolf". I used to love that show. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I want it for one reason only. I want to paint it black and white and call it "Airwolf". I used to love that show. now that is the greatest reason i have heard on why we should get it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I want it for one reason only. I want to paint it black and white and call it "Airwolf". I used to love that show. now that is the greatest reason i have heard on why we should get it me +1 on both quotes. convert the stormtalon to this! http://www.airwolf.tv/yabbfiles/Attachments/AIRWOLF_REIMAGIND.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pall Ironbear Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 :) Someone needs to photoshop the brick in that paint scheme Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I don't know, I'd have to look at the model in real life to make my mind up, I disliked the Storm Raven immensely when I saw the first images. Fluffwise, for me they are perfect. The army I want to emulate is an almost Expeditionary force, relying heavily on Scout elements followed up by fast, yet hard hitting kit (thank you Forge World for the Storm Eagle ^_^). This could be incredibly useful in offering support to those units instead of going down a tank based route. Now, is it a Heresy era design? xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252889-would-you-like-our-wolves-to-get-the-stormtalon/page/2/#findComment-3072774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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