adamv6 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...Id=prod1600096a Got an email this morning from GW, with the advance order details for the "StormTalon" BS Front Armour Side Armour Rear Armour 4 11 11 11 Type: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer) Wargear: Twin-linked assault cannon, Twin-linked heavy bolter Special Rules: Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic Rules apparently going to be in White Drawf. Unless those special rules add up to something good, or its points value is only 60-75 points, I don't see it being much use. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 got a copy of white dwarf yesterday and it does say update for codex space marines on page 66 in the mag so it prob just for C:SM but then when do us gamers pay attention to that strom talon 130pts bs front side rear 4 11 11 11 fast skimmer twin linked AC & HB, ceramite plating as standard wargear aerial assault - can move at crusing speed and fire all weapons escort craft - must turn up within 6 inches of where the escorted unit entered play but cant be attached to a deep stricking unit, storm talon and only one strom talon can escort each unit no multiple strom talon for one unit hover strike - 1 extra BS if stays stays still but can pivot on spot, but only get the extra BS if target is not another skimmer and any shooting is also pinning super sonic can change HB for twin linked LC's, typhoon missile launcher or a skyhammer missile launcher which is basically an autocannon with 3 shots these upgrades cost 20pts or more for a couple of them considering a land speeder typhoon/tornado with AC is 90pts i could see a use for a storm talon over these as extra 60 pts is for better armour and the hover strike rule, aerial assault rule which i think players will mostly use as it will be harder to hit rather than use the extra BS + pinning for hover strike Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Only for 'nilla SM I'm betting. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 It doesn't really fit our theme anyway. Grey Knights tend to teleport so don't need an escort and when we do hit the planet the old fashioned way we use stormravens and thunderhawks which are gunship/transports so tend to escort themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 It doesn't really fit our theme anyway. Grey Knights tend to teleport so don't need an escort and when we do hit the planet the old fashioned way we use stormravens and thunderhawks which are gunship/transports so tend to escort themselves. and most games you will use a stromraven deep striking and a storm talon cant deep strike which i think it should be able to otherwise why would you need the armoured cockpit if your not deep striking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Why DS a Stormraven? Keep it in reserves, and simply Flat Out is on from your board edge. DS moves at Flat Out anyway, so we get the same cover save and ability to fire the same number of weapons. Plus we don't have to worry about Mishaps (becuase only Mystics can help a SR), or Warp Quake. And in this method of arrival from Reserves, a Storm Talon escort could be useful. It's a shame GW is blinkered and most liekly won't let us have access to it. Got to give the Ultras some unique toys, right? It's not like LS Storms, Ironclads and Thunderfires are enough! Edit: Oh and what are Ultra Storm Talons going to be escorting on? LR? Land Speeders? Having a light skimmer to escort a heavier and more expensive skimmer, carrying troops *and* Dreads. Now that makes sense, doesn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 For us to use it they will have to do a second GK version with ou special rules. I admit the aegis and pyschic power rules are minor but they would lead to a whole new host of bitching about GK's so I'd rather we just avoid the whole argument. It's ugly anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Edit: Oh and what are Ultra Storm Talons going to be escorting on? LR? Land Speeders? Having a light skimmer to escort a heavier and more expensive skimmer, carrying troops *and* Dreads. Now that makes sense, doesn't it? Drop pods apparently So we have something that in the fluff goes down so damn fast it makes a 10 dollar lady of negotiable affection look like a tortoise, designed to go from orbit to the ground before the enemy can properly get a track on it. Now we have an aircraft designed to escort it down..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 shame in the rules you cant escort a unit arriving from deep strike, so it cant escort drop pods Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 A no you wont get it B if you would it would be unstunable and with ultra cheap blessed ammo . tempests go to str 9 . twin linked str7 rending AC . two str6 hvy bolters. str 10 lascannons. C there would be some nasty rules problems as summoning is not deep strike , just deploying as deep strike . so technicly the talon would arrive with the escorted unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If we're allowed to use your Storm Ravens then sure, you can use our Storm Talons. :rolleyes: But GW won't let that happen, not yet anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 A no you wont get it B if you would it would be unstunable and with ultra cheap blessed ammo . tempests go to str 9 . twin linked str7 rending AC . two str6 hvy bolters. str 10 lascannons. C there would be some nasty rules problems as summoning is not deep strike , just deploying as deep strike . so technicly the talon would arrive with the escorted unit. Do you even have the GK codex? Blessed ammo ONLY applies to Boltguns, stormbolters, autocannons and assault cannons. here is blessed fuel which only applies to flame weapons. Tempests and lascannons can not get a bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If we're allowed to use your Storm Ravens then sure, you can use our Storm Talons. As long as my Pallies can use your Storm Shields! And our Techmarines get Thunderfires! Deal! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If we're allowed to use your Storm Ravens then sure, you can use our Storm Talons. As long as my Pallies can use your Storm Shields! And our Techmarines get Thunderfires! Deal! ;) You drive a hard bargain! 3 extra things for 1. Don't do it DarkGuard, you'll regret it! shame in the rules you cant escort a unit arriving from deep strike, so it cant escort drop pods Outflanking Scouts just become much more dangerous! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 out flanking scouts in a land speeder storm with either HB for anti infantry or MM for anti tank stormtalon escorting with AC & TML or poss LC good for taking an obj Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Do you even have the GK codex? Blessed ammo ONLY applies to Boltguns, stormbolters, autocannons and assault cannons. here is blessed fuel which only applies to flame weapons. Tempests and lascannons can not get a bonus. so unless they FAQ it the only version which would be buffed would be the one that everyone would pick in the first place . again the problem is summoning and being unstunable . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I fail to see the problem. All GK vehicles are unstunnable (as long as you're not Eldar or have a Hood/Rune Weapon...), and The Summoning sucks. And it's also stymed by Eldar, Hoods and Rune Weapons. Go figure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 out flanking scouts in a land speeder storm with either HB for anti infantry or MM for anti tank stormtalon escorting with AC & TML or poss LC good for taking an obj You've been reading my notepad of army list ideas for my growing Exorcist army haven't you? :D 5 man scout squad with powerfist, shotguns and pistol/ccw, LSS with heavy bolter, storm talon with skyhammer missiles ;) dakka dakka! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Falkor Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 out flanking scouts in a land speeder storm with either HB for anti infantry or MM for anti tank stormtalon escorting with AC & TML or poss LC good for taking an obj You've been reading my notepad of army list ideas for my growing Exorcist army haven't you? :D 5 man scout squad with powerfist, shotguns and pistol/ccw, LSS with heavy bolter, storm talon with skyhammer missiles ;) dakka dakka! ive been using 2 LSS but only had them turn up once in same turn then it was both different sides of the board so having the talon escort one of the LSS i wont need the second one now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 It's a shame GW is blinkered and most liekly won't let us have access to it. I'm sorry but I have to disagree with that remark. We SHOULDN'T have the Stormtalon, it doesn't fit with our method of warfare. We use vehicles to get our men on the ground so they can vanquish the foe face to face. We don't need gunships. Hell, the only reason the Stormraven and Thunderhawk are gunships is because Astartes need to clear their own landing zones before they really go to work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Why don't GK get access to Wolf Scouts?!? It's totally unfair! Damn you GW! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If we're allowed to use your Storm Ravens then sure, you can use our Storm Talons. As long as my Pallies can use your Storm Shields! And our Techmarines get Thunderfires! Deal! :tu: You drive a hard bargain! 3 extra things for 1. Don't do it DarkGuard, you'll regret it! shame in the rules you cant escort a unit arriving from deep strike, so it cant escort drop pods Outflanking Scouts just become much more dangerous! Gentlemanloser, throw in your blessed ammo and blessed hulls and it's a deal. Oh and the dirt you have on the Vindicare temple which means they're at your beck and call all day. :D And Idaho, someone brought that up in Tactica Astartes, it's a good catch, and a nice way to sneakily outflank your Storm Talon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Blessed hulls? You can have that for free! Yeah, I'll throw in Psybolt Ammo, it's not like Tac Squads can take 2-4 Assault Cannons i every Squad. :P You sould have asked for the 'nades! We SHOULDN'T have the Stormtalon, it doesn't fit with our method of warfare. Escorting a Storm Raven doesn't fit? But Escorting a Land Raider does? That's, strange... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Blessed hulls? You can have that for free! Yeah, I'll throw in Psybolt Ammo, it's not like Tac Squads can take 2-4 Assault Cannons i every Squad. ;) You sould have asked for the 'nades! Nades are overrated. :P (they aren't actually). And I'll be quite happy to have psycannons on all my Razorbacks, and S8 Rifleman Dreads. And of course the Vindicares contract. ;) But seriously, every army has to have something different, and the way I see it Grey Knights operate a very different fighting style to Marines, so I can see there being justification for them not having the Storm Talon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 We SHOULDN'T have the Stormtalon, it doesn't fit with our method of warfare. Escorting a Storm Raven doesn't fit? But Escorting a Land Raider does? That's, strange... Escorting a Land Raider? What are you talking about? As for escorting a Stormraven, no, it doesn't fit. Grey Knight vehicles are all about getting battle brothers to a destination. The Stormraven is perfect for that role, and let's not forget that the Grey Knights are nothing if not pragmatic; they have limited resources and the Stormraven is perfectly capable of defending itself. Why assign an unnecessary escort to a vehicle that doesn't need one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252967-stormtalon-will-gk-be-able-to-use-it/#findComment-3070579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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