Ethrion Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 the bird of prey is corax...definitely a raven description. Again, Corvids are not really considered birds of prey, they eat fruit, carrion, even fungus, and insects. The more I think about it the more it makes me think of Horus, a falcon. You say that it definitely describes a raven, literally it only says "a bird of prey," in reference to it. Now it could be Corax, it could be Horus, I'm just saying with what we know about ravens and falcons, if I was using one for hunting, I know who I'd expect to bring me home some dinner! True but I would have thought that if it were Horus then there would have been more made of the statue and it's description...anyway it doesn't really matter. I liked the whole scene and then how there is a corpse of a king on a throne in the next room. Oh and how Ferrus' neck was itching but there was no mark...uh oh! :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3076174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Yeah it's true, I really like the whole scene of it, even down to how the farseer screwed up and let his manifestation of Fulgrim actually become a daemon.....whoops.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3076583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Maybe they are referring to Ollanius Pius (spelling), he was at Calth after all, and was "lost" in the sense he was just hanging out in the empire of the battle king, hiding and trying to start a new life. I didn't think of that, but it makes the most sense to me out of all these. One thing I thought was interesting was what I made out to be references to Necrons when they were talking about the Iron Hands homeworld. The eerie, empty tomb-like areas where dangerous "ghosts" lived, and then the description of the silver skinned wyrm that Ferrus got his silver hands from made me think he killed himself a Tomb Stalker and got some living metal in return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3077257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus25 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Think of it like this: When something is described as "Lost" in some situations it is a term for death. What is Guilliman believed to be right now? Dead, but with the flavor text in the Codex as some think he is slowly healing. His body is still kept in the realm of the "Battle-King." If he ever did come out of his stasis sleep healed he would be the only chance to end the crap storm that is developing. As a Primarch he is the only person with the ability physically and Mentally to pull all of the chapters together to work in union along with him being the first High Lord of Terra he has the polictical pull to get thr rest of the organizations to get back on track and doing things right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3078484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 That's if the High Lords present don't send a assassin team after him, either out of fear for their power, or to prevent the unification of the single deadliest weapon they have in the hands of someone they have no control over. Or a bunch of Inquisitor's don't off him for being a creature filled to the brim with Warp-energy goodness. And we always have the option of one of the Daemon-Primarchs showing up to stop him,Magnus and the Battle of the Fang, different context, same outcome. Makes sense to keep napping, even if he is healing and could wake up(which is in huge doubt) Good old Imperium, screwing over their only chance of success to protect a priviliged few. Can't imagine where i've heard that before (being a history student) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3078505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Guilliman's adoptive father was the Battle-King, was he not? Thus the Battle-King installing an heir is Guilliman. Think of it like this: When something is described as "Lost" in some situations it is a term for death. What is Guilliman believed to be right now? Dead, but with the flavor text in the Codex as some think he is slowly healing. His body is still kept in the realm of the "Battle-King." If he ever did come out of his stasis sleep healed he would be the only chance to end the crap storm that is developing. As a Primarch he is the only person with the ability physically and Mentally to pull all of the chapters together to work in union along with him being the first High Lord of Terra he has the polictical pull to get thr rest of the organizations to get back on track and doing things right. I think these two points make the clearest sense to me for now... of course we are talking about prophecy which by nature is never clear. We know the Eldar are in it for the long haul (despite being an endangered species) so perhaps it is pointing to Guilliman being lost (in statis) but returning as Nexus says. However, I think that Guilliman could have been perceived lost prior to that. For instance, he nearly died in the Battle of Calth. The Farseerers could have saw his death in one timeline but as time flowed the futures changed. They see a reality where Guilliman lives and becomes Lord Commander of the Imperium with the Ultras playing a big role in the scouring. He helped stabilize the Imperium which stands as a bulwark against Chaos even 10 thousand years later (which of course was a good thing for everyone in the galaxy, the Imperium being the lesser of two evils for xenos throughout it). I'm sure it can be twisted in other directions of course. We have to remember that they speak cryptically. Nothing can be taken totally literally. Another way to look at it is that we know (from reading the Lion) that the Iron Hands now take orders from Guilliman after their Primarch is dead. Perhaps Guilliman is Ferrus Manus's heir this this sense. So "In the empire of the Battle-King", that is the Ultramar reference, "he" meaning Ferrus Manus, "would install an heir", being Guilliman as heir to his Legion. Perhaps even before his final battle Ferrus, having now seen his brothers turn traitor, puts the pieces together of what the Farseerer was trying to show him (albeit too late to save himself) and gives his Legion a contingency plan to follow Guilliman? I could still see an argument to be made for a lost Primarch as well. Though their legions may have been taken from them, could the Primarchs themselves still live? Perhaps locked away on Terra or rogue out there amongst the stars? Preiestly (in 40K radio around 1:20:00) mentions that the Lost Legions redeemed themselves in some way and so earned the Emperor's salvation and were rewarded with being completely expunged from Imperial records (as opposed to simply excommunicated as the Traitors are) - leaving no record of their original shame. Fround that link over here on Dakka. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3079259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 With Ollanius turning up on the Horus battle barge in Know No Fear, I think it could be a possibility that he had some "Cabal Device" that temprorarily knocked out Horus' shields, allowing the Emperor to get in. If you think about it, Horus was breaking the palace, on the verge of screwing them over, and he lowers his shields... Sounds more like the cabal thinking "Crap, we're gonna get screwed, last minute effort, we have to force the draw rather than utter annihilation. Just a thought from my CJD ridden brainpan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3079586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 With Ollanius turning up on the Horus battle barge in Know No Fear, I think it could be a possibility that he had some "Cabal Device" that temprorarily knocked out Horus' shields, allowing the Emperor to get in. If you think about it, Horus was breaking the palace, on the verge of screwing them over, and he lowers his shields... Sounds more like the cabal thinking "Crap, we're gonna get screwed, last minute effort, we have to force the draw rather than utter annihilation. Just a thought from my CJD ridden brainpan. Only that Cabal wanted Horus to win. Lowering the shield and getting the 'Golden Throne' explosions was their worst-case scenario. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3079969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 i stand corrected! Maybe the Eldar put him up to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3080354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think Ollanius has nothing to do with Eldar. Perpetuals have no connection to Eldar or Cabal as a whole, only Grammaticus was resurrected by them and inducted into service. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3080610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think that's true, but that doesn't mean the Eldar haven't seen them in their far-seeing and sought to manipulate them into acting in the Eldar's interests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3080651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantras Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Also, Grammaticus made contact with Pius, but this was after he distanced himself from the Cabal at the end of Legion, if I recall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253128-feat-of-iron/page/2/#findComment-3080654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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