Olis Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 (Such as the big giant cannons on tracks whose name I forget at the moment) They're Ordinatus, brother. And then we stopped building and sending shuttles and stick to rockets, which is backtracking in technological terms. Or at least the USA did. I'd be lying if I said I kept up with the international space exploration programs. It's a good job there's a caveat at the end of that or I'd have to wheel out my soapbox. :) Suffice to say, the last actual shuttle built was a looong time ago (30 years ago, iirc), but that doesn't mean anything given the constant up grades they went through. The rockets are only there as a stop-gap between shuttle-programs and let's not get into civilian or foreign programs, either active or proposed. It isn't backtracking if the R&D is still ongoing. The Tau have done the same thing. In less time. I humbly disagree. Our stone age was, what, roughly four thousand years ago, right? The Tau went from the equivalent to beyond what we have in six. We still have two thousand years to play with, I reckon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3078984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 There's a chance that we are already close to the 6,000 year mark. Metalworking began around 4,500 BCE and became widespread from there to 2,000 BCE. There is no official end of the Stone Age and official beginning of the Bronze Age. The translation between Ages is relative to the region of the world you are looking at. North eastern Africa, around Egypt was the first the to start using metal around ~4,000 BCE (Give or take 500 years), then Babylon came along and made the first Empire using Bronze weaponry, if I remember my archaeology and world history right. The latest advancement into the Bronze Age was Southest Asia I think, around 3,000 BCE. But Stone Age tech was still common until 2,000 BCE. So again, it's all relative. EDIT: Thanks for the Ordinatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3078990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I humbly disagree. Our stone age was, what, roughly four thousand years ago, right? The Tau went from the equivalent to beyond what we have in six. We still have two thousand years to play with, I reckon. Well, there were pretty advanced civilisations in Egypt, Sumeria, India, Crete, and possibly China 4,000 years ago Civilisation arose in Egype, Sumeria, and Crete over 5,000 years ago Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3079003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Okay, like Kol pointed out, it depends on where we're talking. Being a Brit, I was talking from my perspective. But I concede that the numbers may have already been exceeded. Fair enough. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3079015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 http://www.thebolthole.org/blog/2012/04/16...bnett/#more-647 Shadowhawk: What’s next for you in the Horus Heresy after the Battle of Calth? Dan: Next for me is The Unremembered Empire, which is a direct sequel to Know No Fear and takes the Ultramarines (the survivors) back to Macragge. Then again, Aaron’s (Dembski-Bowden) Betrayer is also a direct sequel to KNF, so KNF is a bit of a branching book. The interweaving is getting more complex and the pace is picking up. As for his super-secret project, anyone's guess really Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Okay, like Kol pointed out, it depends on where we're talking. Being a Brit, I was talking from my perspective. But I concede that the numbers may have already been exceeded. Fair enough. :) I wouldn't necessarily say that. I don't think it is a matter of how long to advance it took the races, as much as it is how fast they picked up. So like, they might have been in the stone age just as long (or even longer), but when they started advancing, they gained momentum and never slowed down. I mean, we only DISCOVERED them a few thousand years back, but they had existed longer than that. Also, to the daemon and tau thing, in Fire Warrior a Changer of Ways possesses the Ethereal (I saw this mentioned earlier as a scenario). And I don't think they are immune to chaos. In the first Tau codex, it has a passage from the Eldar saying that they are just like the Eldar are, and that they are likely to fall like the Eldar if they kept up what they were doing. (something like that?). The Mont'ka is chaos, as well, if you look at it. It drove their race apart, and they were on the brink of destruction until the Ethereals showed up and united them (much like the Emperor showed up and saved humanity from Chaos). Then you have them going out, and the Farsight Enclave happens. For reasons unknown, he broke from the greater good (their Imperial Truth). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domhnall Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 As for his super-secret project, anyone's guess really Make that two Super-secret projects :) ...I’ve got A Big Secret Thing to write after that, plus Another Big Secret Thing, plus a new Horus Heresy novel (The Unremembered Empire). It’s a testament to how Big and, indeed, Secret the Big Secret Things are that, by comparison, I’m able to mention the Horus Heresy book out loud... Question is, are they related super-secret projects, or different projects? Could one of them possibly be related to the rumoured released of 6th Edition, such as he's been working on the tie-in novel for the boxed set? How about writing the background/fluff for the introduction of a new, or indeed 'promoted', Chaos God to be introduced into an upcoming Chaos Codex. Very doubtful, but a couple of ideas :) Of course, there's nothing saying either are 40k related. Or might even be unrelated to actually writing something. Maybe heading up a team working on 'WH40k: The Animated Series' :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I would just like to point out though that the Tau had outside help from the Eldar who aided them in their progress. It wasn't all their own doing but they have advanced at a pretty rapid pace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Don't think it's ever been confirmed who, or what, is helping the Tau. Eldrad said something nice about them, but wasn't aware of any clearer links. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I don't think it is a matter of how long to advance it took the races, as much as it is how fast they picked up. So like, they might have been in the stone age just as long (or even longer), but when they started advancing, they gained momentum and never slowed down. Thing is, though, that the exact same thing can be said of humanity. A lot of people think that we've stagnated now, that we haven't made much progress since the last big thing, but that's not really true. You could say that our advancements are in fits and bursts, but that doesn't mean that nothing goes on in-between. Really, it's those in-between times that allow for us to advance in the first place. Every burst of advancement is built upon by those 'dipping' moments substantially, and are absolutely required for it to happen at all. Consider the over-all progress of humanity since getting out of the Stone Age (and as some mentioned, that's a different time for different people. The Western Hemisphere, for instance, came out of it far later than the Eastern Hemisphere). We were never truly stagnant in our process. Even in the Dark Ages, a misnomer applied to that time in order to compare it to the Renaissance, there were significant progress made. But the more progress we had behind us, the more we started coming out with. Until we packed more advances in the last two centuries than humanity ever had in the last two millennia. We may be between bursts right now, but that doesn't mean we've slowed down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3080804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIDM Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 the emp gets up and lolz at humanity and destroys them himself becoming a Chaos God Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3083416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [As for his super-secret project, anyone's guess really Well from today's BL blog the secret project has slanty eyes and a heart of ice so I'd say its a book on Lady Malyis (sp?). Mabye a follow up to path of the Renegade. On the Heresy Front however, the interplay between Empire and Betrayer sounds interesting. I cant wait to see how Lorgar's plans for Ultramar play out, theres just something niggling in my brain that the Codex and Imperium Secundus may be part of it... Disciple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3086206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorunner Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Eh, if ones a super secret project that we are all going to "SQUEE" about, it could be a follow up to Titanicus. That book was a hit, wasn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3087490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The Unremebred Empire is focused on Imperium Secundus, where the Blood Angels and Ultramarines try to create an imperiumto last. Personally I can't wait for Vulkan Lives and the Shattered Legions book. More info on the Iron Hands is only a good thing. The Horus Heresy is looking great! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3232385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Bit of info from a reliable source: UNREMEMBERED EMPIRE - Dan Abnett - ???This is the "Imperium Secundus" that has been hinted at so far. Ultramar is fortified as a second Imperium, because Guilliman honestly believes that the Emperor is dead. Sanguinius is to be crowned as the new Emperor, which doesn't sit well with all present. There will be a "massive superhero style battle" which Dan never expected to see in the Heresy. This is the first book in a wider arc, as part of the Age of Darkness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3232401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That confuses me. At what point would there be cause to crown Sanguinius, that didn't exist in a timeframe where he was already dead? I mean, I get Ultramar (which at that point appears to have been most of the Ultima Segmentum) as its own realm, with Guilliman unsure of what the state of the rest of the Imperium is. After all, the Ultramarines have been betrayed, and after stomping out the majority of the Word Bearers, consolidating and rebuilding. It's a departure from the original Heresy Fluff, but not an unacceptable one. But how does Sanguinius ever get crowned as an emperor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3234885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That confuses me. At what point would there be cause to crown Sanguinius, that didn't exist in a timeframe where he was already dead? I mean, I get Ultramar (which at that point appears to have been most of the Ultima Segmentum) as its own realm, with Guilliman unsure of what the state of the rest of the Imperium is. After all, the Ultramarines have been betrayed, and after stomping out the majority of the Word Bearers, consolidating and rebuilding. It's a departure from the original Heresy Fluff, but not an unacceptable one. But how does Sanguinius ever get crowned as an emperor? At the end of Fear to Tread Sanguinius and the Blood Angels meet up with Guilliman and the Ultramarine fleet after Calth and Signus Prime. I assume they return to Ultramar where Guilliman explains what he believes about the state of the Imperium. Guilliman believes the Emperor is dead and that Ultramar must become the kernal to a new Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3234910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That confuses me. At what point would there be cause to crown Sanguinius, that didn't exist in a timeframe where he was already dead? I mean, I get Ultramar (which at that point appears to have been most of the Ultima Segmentum) as its own realm, with Guilliman unsure of what the state of the rest of the Imperium is. After all, the Ultramarines have been betrayed, and after stomping out the majority of the Word Bearers, consolidating and rebuilding. It's a departure from the original Heresy Fluff, but not an unacceptable one. But how does Sanguinius ever get crowned as an emperor? At the end of Fear to Tread Sanguinius and the Blood Angels meet up with Guilliman and the Ultramarine fleet after Calth and Signus Prime. I assume they return to Ultramar where Guilliman explains what he believes about the state of the Imperium. Guilliman believes the Emperor is dead and that Ultramar must become the kernal to a new Imperium. Ahh. Haven't been able to finish FTT yet. It was painfully slow and uninteresting to me. But that starts to bring all sorts of questions to the fore, most of which I guess are pointless to ask if I haven't finished the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3234931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Super hero battle? Is the Lion going to smack another Primarch about, he has a habit of that, first Russ, then Curze, now who knows :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3234973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I would think that it would be a super-match between Lorgar and Angron versus Sanguinius and Guilliman in Byzan, I mean Ultima. I dont think it is time yet for Luthor to put his epic '10000 year of sleep' coma on the Lion quite yet. Will Guilliman suffer from the Byzantine corruption? Will Ultramar carry the light of humanity through the dark times? I am excited for this one. The art work with a super-jubilant Guilliman ('All Hail the KING!!!!!') and a less-than enthusiastic Sanguinius ('Uhm. This is embarassing') has really stirred the mushpot in my head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3235001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Wow, this sounds really interesting...can't wait! Haven't been able to finish FTT yet. It was painfully slow and uninteresting to me.You ain't alone Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3238500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Bit of info from a reliable source: UNREMEMBERED EMPIRE - Dan Abnett - ???This is the "Imperium Secundus" that has been hinted at so far. Ultramar is fortified as a second Imperium, because Guilliman honestly believes that the Emperor is dead. Sanguinius is to be crowned as the new Emperor, which doesn't sit well with all present. There will be a "massive superhero style battle" which Dan never expected to see in the Heresy. This is the first book in a wider arc, as part of the Age of Darkness. This fits with the artwork of Guilliman holding up Sanguinius' arm I front of a massive crowd and everyone looks happy apart from Sanguinius. Now all we need is th book to see if his is tue and to explain how the blood angels still managed to get back to terra, but left being the ultras Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3238623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 This fits with the artwork of Guilliman holding up Sanguinius' arm I front of a massive crowd and everyone looks happy apart from Sanguinius.OK...where is this artwork, I have to see it :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3238680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Wow, this sounds really interesting...can't wait! Haven't been able to finish FTT yet. It was painfully slow and uninteresting to me.You ain't alone Same here. If I hadn't listened to the audio book I'm not sure I would have finished it... This fits with the artwork of Guilliman holding up Sanguinius' arm I front of a massive crowd and everyone looks happy apart from Sanguinius.OK...where is this artwork, I have to see it :) Ditto. Also, something big and exciting from Abnett? That sounds very exciting. Probably about the two missing legions ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3238717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Artein posted it in the future of the heresy thread http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5761/a6yhowkcuaebsqg.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/4/#findComment-3238954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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