Veteran Sergeant Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 This post was a tirade, I'm sure. :woot: I'll remove it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3239083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Damn, Primarchs are quite big, like 3.5 meters(11.5 feet aprox). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3239097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Since RG thinks the Emperor is already dead maybe he refuses to travel to Terra because he thinks it's pointless, but Sang refuses to give up hope (because then he would have to be the new Emperor), or possibly has a vision, so he takes his Legion and leaves for Terra. Maybe picks up the WS on the way, or maybe they're already there, i havent read the newest WS novella. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3239968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I don't think this post was demeaning anyone, but just to be safe, I'll remove it. :ermm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I worry that the continuity is going to end up like Star Wars. Permanently screwed, lol. I mean, the original story was that the Ultramarines were too far away to take part. Then it changed to Horus realizing the Ultramarines were too powerful, so he sent them too far away so they couldn't interfere. Then it changed to Calth being so devastating to their naval forces and the warp storm delaying communications so they didn't have the chance to interfere. I totally get where you're coming from...but the prospect of Dan Abnett injecting fresh ideas via the Imperium Secundus story arc has me salivating BL will have my money Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I worry that the continuity is going to end up like Star Wars. Permanently screwed, lol. I mean, the original story was that the Ultramarines were too far away to take part. Then it changed to Horus realizing the Ultramarines were too powerful, so he sent them too far away so they couldn't interfere. Then it changed to Calth being so devastating to their naval forces and the warp storm delaying communications so they didn't have the chance to interfere. Now what will it be? :) I mean, really, putting the Blood Angels and the Ultramarines in the same place, at the same time, but with only one of them being present at Terra? It's gonna be really hard to explain that one without fundamentally altering the established fluff. I won't lie. I'm extremely skeptical. The Black Library has been extremely unkind to the Ultramarines, what with McNeill's novels painting them to be idiots, and now suddenly Abnett turning Calth into essentially a victory by the Word Bearers instead of a catastrophic defeat (I mean, yeah, ultimately the Word Bearers get wiped out on Calth, but not without destroying like 40% of the Ultramarines and crippling its fleet, lol). Jebus. Is Guilliman suddenly going to be the villain of 40K, instead of the hero like he always was? Lion El'Jonson seems to think so, or at least that's how it appears to me. As to the "story" changing, don't think of it as alterations in continuity, think of it as the truth being revealed after 10,000 years of censorship, myth-building, and figments of Imperium-centric fantasy. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We should keep in mind that Imperium Secundus is the Unremembered Empire. Close to no one remembers it in the 41st millenium. We're learning things that were forgotten in 10k years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's not hard to believe that the Blood Angels with an intact fleet are able to go to Ultramar, make plans there and then go to Terra. Meanwhile the Ultramarines are still rebuilding their fleet and repairing their legion. It may be that the Ultramarines are required to secure as much of the Empire to ensure that there will actually still be an Empire left when the traitors have been stopped. We will see. Guilliman was always about securing the people of the Imperium rather than simply waging wars like most of his brothers. He'll be thinking long term, there are still xenos out there to keep back. We know that a lot of Imperial space was lost to them during the Heresy, maybe the Ultramarines were responsible for stopping a whole lot more falling to xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 As to the "story" changing, don't think of it as alterations in continuity, think of it as the truth being revealed after 10,000 years of censorship, myth-building, and figments of Imperium-centric fantasy. -_-This is what they did to Dune...only the HH series, despite low points, is far better than the Dune prequels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3240867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 As to the "story" changing, don't think of it as alterations in continuity, think of it as the truth being revealed after 10,000 years of censorship, myth-building, and figments of Imperium-centric fantasy. :tu:This is what they did to Dune...only the HH series, despite low points, is far better than the Dune prequels Well, we already knew that the myriad beginnings of the Imperium had its root in the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. That had been established in canon already. So it was understandable to see all of it going on at the same time in the series. With the Dune prequels, there was no such warning. We were just shown a brief glimpse of a single generation some thousands of years ago where, apparently, everything happened at once. By the actions of a small handful of people, who were all connected. In 40k, that was understandable. We already knew that, because of the historical glimpses we already saw. In Dune, it just came out as 'lolwut.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3242084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKnight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The Unremebred Empire is focused on Imperium Secundus, where the Blood Angels and Ultramarines try to create an imperiumto last. Personally I can't wait for Vulkan Lives and the Shattered Legions book. More info on the Iron Hands is only a good thing. The Horus Heresy is looking great! At last, someone with a brain... How hard is it to read between the lines here? Reading this thread has been PAINFUL. Unremembered Empire, yes, its about the Ultramar Empire. We'll see more of Vulkan and the Iron hands soon, we saw some of them in Angel Exterminatus. Also, many here think about what they mean with 'Secret Project'. Well, its not the lost legions, we already know what happend to the lost and the purged. Squats? no. they are still part of the Imperium. Nothing to do with the Eldar empire, they sit on their lazy farseer asses. Tyranids have already been found. ''Murder'' anyone? 4 armed monsters with blades as hands? Hello!? Tyranids :cuss! NOT the Unification Wars. Its past, we will know of it later and we know most of it already. Emperor comes out and goes Über on Terra. Early Emperors life? No, hes a secret they will NEVER tell. We know hes 39.000 years old at the HH. Great Crusade? Possible, from another legions angle to see up to the heresy. We do miss backgrounds for Salamanders, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Iron Warriors, World Eaters and soo on. Not the Tau, they are still CAVE men at this point in time for thrones sake. NOT old onces, they are DEAD. Necrons still sleep on their metal asses. So they are out. To user Adam_R. NO. ANY QUESTIONS?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 To use chat speak: LOL WUT? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that the 99% of the Imperium in 40K doesn't know what happened in 30K. The only people who likely know everything are the High Lords of Terra and the Grey Knights. The Chapters who were descended directly from the Legions or within a founding or two, long enough that they would have previously served with those of their Primarchs still alive would certianly know the most salient points of what happened but out of that group the only one to have the true picture would be Bjorn the Fell-Handed. After reading Betrayer and seeing how previous works have cleverly played on words, all I would say is stop guessing because there's going to be twists and turns and all kinds of crazy stuff going on. For all we know Imperium Secundus is the Imperium of 40k and unremembered empire is the Imperium as it was. We won't know sadly, for a fair while at least. On that subject, I know we have the Malcador Audio Drama due out soon and The Underworld War anthology is also confirmed but do we have anything else in the pipeline as yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think Betrayer may give a good reason as to why the Ultramarines couldn't come to Terra right away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Tyranids have already been found. ''Murder'' anyone? 4 armed monsters with blades as hands? Hello!? Tyranids :cuss! I don't think so, brother. For a start the Megarachnids had eight legs, Tyranids have six. Secondly there is zero supporting biological evidence (no ancilliary towers, no supporting xenos species such as rippers, the Megarachnids did not consume biomass) and did not exhibit any similar traits Genestealers might. The fact that they were armed with swords or sword-like appendages and were insectoid =/= Tyranids. There's plenty of species out there in the 40k galaxy, there's bound to be a few who were insectoid (although the Tyranids, incidentally, don't fully fall within that category anyway). The Vespid are insectoid. Are they Tyranids? No. There's probably plenty of threads out there on the 'net that go into this issue in more detail so I'll leave it there. Apologies for the off-topicness of my post - but I felt I had to post a rebuttal to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Tyranids have already been found. ''Murder'' anyone? 4 armed monsters with blades as hands? Hello!? Tyranids :cuss! I don't think so, brother. For a start the Megarachnids had eight legs, Tyranids have six. Secondly there is zero supporting biological evidence (no ancilliary towers, no supporting xenos species such as rippers, the Megarachnids did not consume biomass) and did not exhibit any similar traits Genestealers might. The fact that they were armed with swords or sword-like appendages and were insectoid =/= Tyranids. There's plenty of species out there in the 40k galaxy, there's bound to be a few who were insectoid (although the Tyranids, incidentally, don't fully fall within that category anyway). The Vespid are insectoid. Are they Tyranids? No. There's probably plenty of threads out there on the 'net that go into this issue in more detail so I'll leave it there. Apologies for the off-topicness of my post - but I felt I had to post a rebuttal to that. Also, they were once a space faring empire, and the Interex defeated them and confined them to one world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3263955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 well when i first saw the topic i thought the title of this book would be metaphor and it will be more about the thunder warriors from outcast dead but to my disappointment its about ultramarines dont get me wrong i liked KNF but im still waiting more about dark angels alphas the thunder warriors WS but oh well Olisredan weren't the laer insectoid? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Olisredan weren't the laer insectoid? Iirc, they were somewhat, yes. I know they definitely weren't humanoid. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 so wouldnt they be more closer related to nids then the ones on murder im not saying they are but they are similar i remember fabius saying ( before he started doing his experiments) they were modified for the role they were to fill- in fulgrim sounds just like the tyranids Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 so the hive mind couldve been slanesh all along Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Nope. Tyranids got nothing to do with Laer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Nope. Tyranids got nothing to do with Laer. At least they spoke (or sent dreams) while every possible dialogue with a tyranid ended with a fight. And a vague image of an hungry void. The only temporary alliances made by Space Marines and Imperial Guards with their traitorous counterparts were made against the tyranids. So I prefer to keep them completely outside the other galaxy races. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKnight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I don't think so, brother. For a start the Megarachnids had eight legs, Tyranids have six. Secondly there is zero supporting biological evidence (no ancilliary towers, no supporting xenos species such as rippers, the Megarachnids did not consume biomass) and did not exhibit any similar traits Genestealers might. The fact that they were armed with swords or sword-like appendages and were insectoid =/= Tyranids. There's plenty of species out there in the 40k galaxy, there's bound to be a few who were insectoid (although the Tyranids, incidentally, don't fully fall within that category anyway). The Vespid are insectoid. Are they Tyranids? No. There's probably plenty of threads out there on the 'net that go into this issue in more detail so I'll leave it there. Apologies for the off-topicness of my post - but I felt I had to post a rebuttal to that. good point. but if anyone read Chapias Cain, they found frozen tyranids that have been there for nearly 10-12 thousand years. Where did they come from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You tell me. Sounds to me like that's something put in the novel that was meant to confound the reader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You tell me. Sounds to me like that's something put in the novel that was meant to confound the reader. Kind of like the theories that the 'nids have been here before (like the creatures on certain death worlds like Fenris and Catachan). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3264151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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