Marshal Rohr Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 So... these guys are the ones heading back to Terra? IIRC the Retribution Fleet made it back in time. That may change though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Fists in grey armor? hmm didnt see that one coming :/ Looks like space wolves, why anyone would look at that picture and say ah! those are fists! is completely beyond me because of the armor color :(, though I've also read the crimson fist and would not at all be surprised to see fists in Ultramar:D and for those who read fear to tread, space wolves appearing in Ultramar should be expected? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 It's golden, not grey. Just in the shadow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 hmm I guess so edit/ or not...:) actually certainly not, clearly space wolves imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Well someone on the other forum claimed that Neil Roberts tweeted this: ""okay, might be wrong, but here goes- Ultramarines, Blood Angels, White Scars & Space Wolves. Oh, & one other I can't remember. " and here are some additional details: This is the beginning of the story of 'Imperium Secundus', as first mentioned in Rules of Engagement and then again at the end of Fear to Tread. During the Age of Darkness, the Astronomican disappeared for a long time. Fearing that the Emperor was dead, Guilliman set up a new homeworld for mankind, centred at Ultramar. It was his belief that he could create a second human empire to challenge Horus's Imperium for dominance of the galaxy, and he was probably right - even after Calth and the other traitor attacks in the area, Ultramar was VERY strong and protected geographically (in a galactic sense). But Guilliman was a pragmatist, and knew that he wasn't the man to lead the common people. He suspected that Sanguinius was always intended to be the Emperor's heir, and so set himself up as kingmaker and when Sanguinius arrived at Macragge he was offered the crown - he would be Emperor while Guilliman became something like his Warmaster. But there is a reason that this entire section of Imperial history does not appear in the records... and what that reason is, has yet to be revealed... I just hope people will get it right way and Guilliman will not be branded as a heretic or traitor by them.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 But Guilliman was a pragmatist, and knew that he wasn't the man to lead the common people. He suspected that Sanguinius was always intended to be the Emperor's heir, and so set himself up as kingmaker and when Sanguinius arrived at Macragge he was offered the crown - he would be Emperor while Guilliman became something like his Warmaster. That paragraph is almost able to undo all the damage by Ward and rabid Ultra-fans have done to the Legion/Rob in my books :) Mindbendingly awesome would be an understatement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3271722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 About the four unhappy looking marines, could they be some of Garro's group? Between them they seem to have 4 different shoulder pads, one has a WS styled sword and another has a sword that reminds me of Libertas. If they were IF from Phall why would there just be the four of them? I think they are meant to be something special. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3273672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T14 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The secret project better be about the Painful Dolphins :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3273775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKnight Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 About the four unhappy looking marines, could they be some of Garro's group? Between them they seem to have 4 different shoulder pads, one has a WS styled sword and another has a sword that reminds me of Libertas. If they were IF from Phall why would there just be the four of them? I think they are meant to be something special. Garro? are you mad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3273864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 It's golden, not grey. Just in the shadow. I zoomed in on the picture, and I'm not so sure- the Ultras have golden yellow trim, and that looks nothing like the colour of he two marines- it's closer to the colour the scars armour is. Bear in mind that the light is golden, so it will make whites and greys look golden. I'm also of the opinion they're of two different Legions- the one with the braided hair looks Space Wolfish to me with reddish-orange hair, and the one with the Sword is reminiscent of a Dark Angel, with the knee markings. As they're both sulking it would make sense, neither of their Primarchs would be agreeable to an Imperium Secundus. Just my two kraks... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3275938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I'm not sure completely... but someone has updated the Battle of Phall on the warhammer40kwiki... Now the IF survivors from the battle arrived at Ultramar; the same way the BA at the end of Fear to Tread, due to the light beacon of the Ultramarines fiefdom more bright than Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3276059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Eh that smacks of someone editing the wiki with fan speculation. I find that place isn't great at weeding out fan fiction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3276064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 There is also some armour colors I don't recognise, along with a handful of marines that don't look too pleased. They aren't Death Guard, unless they have red trim on the shoulder guard and other places that I didn't notice before. It could very well be a fallen legion...Time will tell I guess. White Scars. Also Imperial Fists to their left (our right). Derp x_x Totally forgot about the White Scars. I'm ashamed I didn't see that before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3276229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 But Guilliman was a pragmatist, and knew that he wasn't the man to lead the common people. He suspected that Sanguinius was always intended to be the Emperor's heir, and so set himself up as kingmaker and when Sanguinius arrived at Macragge he was offered the crown - he would be Emperor while Guilliman became something like his Warmaster. That paragraph is almost able to undo all the damage by Ward and rabid Ultra-fans have done to the Legion/Rob in my books Mindbendingly awesome would be an understatement. Really Deeply disappointed by this new disloyal Gulliman pragmatism over loyalty. I thought it was going to be pretend thing lets trick people into thinking gulliman was disloyal then surprise not reallly haha Might do yet I suspose it does add more depth to the Ultramarines /Gulliman if they are not the flawless ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3282892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The secret project better be about the Painful Dolphins Or the Irate Platypi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3283379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 But Guilliman was a pragmatist, and knew that he wasn't the man to lead the common people. He suspected that Sanguinius was always intended to be the Emperor's heir, and so set himself up as kingmaker and when Sanguinius arrived at Macragge he was offered the crown - he would be Emperor while Guilliman became something like his Warmaster. That paragraph is almost able to undo all the damage by Ward and rabid Ultra-fans have done to the Legion/Rob in my books Mindbendingly awesome would be an understatement. Really Deeply disappointed by this new disloyal Gulliman pragmatism over loyalty. I thought it was going to be pretend thing lets trick people into thinking gulliman was disloyal then surprise not reallly haha Might do yet I suspose it does add more depth to the Ultramarines /Gulliman if they are not the flawless ones. In what sense is Guilliman being disloyal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3283398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I just still want to know how the Blood Angels end up at Terra and the Ultramarines don't. Given how far and fast guys like Guilliman and Garro can get around in the galaxy, in order to be everywhere they need to be at any given moment for maximum dramatic effect on the story, I'm starting to wonder what kind of ludicrous action is going to stop them in this version of the Horus Heresy. I mean, they already killed half of the Word Bearers Legion. We have to assume the other half still needs to get to Terra so they can fight. Please don't let it be some ridiculous plot by the Awful Legion. I've tried to be reasonable with the ludicrous hijinks of the Mission Impossible Marines. Unless perhaps they move up the battle where Guilliman kills Alpharious/Omegon. They did it with Calth, I guess it's no big deal if they do it to that battle too. Though maybe they will retcon the ending to where the Ultramarines win, since they retconned Calth so the Word Bearers did, haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3283474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Well, the Ultramarines did have big chunks of their fleet blown up by the Word Bearers at Calth, not to mention that the Seventeenth and Twelfth Legions have been tearing apart the Five Hundred Worlds, it doesn't stretch credibilty beyond breaking to think that Rob might be unable or unwilling to disengage from that war to race towards Terra. Meanwhile, Sanguinus and his Legion either aren't as tied up in a campaign or more willing to say "Screw you, inhabitants of worlds that are not Terra! I'm coming to save you, Space Dad!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3284917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The Warp is a fickle mistress, during the Heresy more than other times. It could very well be that while Sanguinius could reach Terra in time, Guilliman simply couldn't. It doesn't have to be anyone's fault. And it's understandable why Guilliman could be considered a traitor due to his preparations. In some sense, he is betraying the Emperor by accepting the possibility of his death. Rather than expending every effort to prevent it, as Sanguinius and the Blood Angels do, among others, he instead plans ahead for the eventuality as if it's assured. Though he may be doing this out of loyalty, some may see it as a misguided sense of it. We will also never know if it might have changed things had he acted differently. If action would have saved the Emperor, then lack of action could be seen as a betrayal. However, we don't know if that would have happened, and maybe Guilliman was certain that it wouldn't. And he might have been right. For all we know, Guilliman's actions during the Heresy was the right call to make. Perhaps even more right than those who chose differently. For instance, what if we knew for absolute fact that if Sanguinius and the Blood Angels go to Terra, the only thing it'll change is that Sanguinius will die and his Legion will be cursed by his death. And what if we knew with absolute certainty that if they hadn't gone to Terra, if they had stayed with Guilliman for his Imperium Secundus and followed him, then the Imperium following the Heresy would be far closer to the Emperor's ideals and hopes for the future. If we knew that with absolute certainty, wouldn't that put Sanguinius' loyalties in question by going to Terra? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3286217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yes, Cormac, but you forget we all hate the XIII, who are boring and natter on about supply lines, fields of fire, and the like, and their Primarch, who couldn't beat a Chaos sorcerer if the latter hadn't paused to gloat, while the IX are pretty vampire beserkers and their Primarch suplexes greater daemons to warm up for his real workout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3286250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yes, Cormac, but you forget we all hate the XIII, who are boring and natter on about supply lines, fields of fire, and the like, and their Primarch, who couldn't beat a Chaos sorcerer if the latter hadn't paused to gloat, while the IX are pretty vampire beserkers and their Primarch suplexes greater daemons to warm up for his real workout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3286251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Alright, alright, I'm sorry! You didn't have to yell at me twice. And you just spoiled Fear to Tread, thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3286349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Alright, alright, I'm sorry! You didn't have to yell at me twice. And you just spoiled Fear to Tread, thank you. Sorry about that, and the double post. At least I didn't blurt out that the Heresy ends with the Emperor a tortured husk on a throne of gold, Horus dead, and the Traitor Legions fleeing into the Eye of Terror...whoops! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3286471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Alright, alright, I'm sorry! You didn't have to yell at me twice. And you just spoiled Fear to Tread, thank you. Sorry about that, and the double post. At least I didn't blurt out that the Heresy ends with the Emperor a tortured husk on a throne of gold, Horus dead, and the Traitor Legions fleeing into the Eye of Terror...whoops! Dash it all, man! Now you've gone and spoiled everything! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3287194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Yes, Cormac, but you forget we all hate the XIII, who are boring and natter on about supply lines, fields of fire, and the like, and their Primarch, who couldn't beat a Chaos sorcerer if the latter hadn't paused to gloat, while the IX are pretty vampire beserkers and their Primarch suplexes greater daemons to warm up for his real workout. Greater Daemons are rather weak stuff. On the other hand juiced up mortals do have a nasty habit of punking Primarchs e.g. Temba, Luther, Kor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253235-the-unremembered-empire/page/7/#findComment-3287363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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