Stormshadow Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 For the purpose of instant death, what is Inquisitor Karamazovs toughness? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 He has Toughness 5 for all purposes. It's not like (jet)bikes that are 4 (5), but like Thunderwolf Cavalry the Throne is a permanent increase of his stats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshadow Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Hmmm… Head-butting plasma shots you say. Interesting… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Karamazov lists are used outside of the US frequently. Here is a common configuration ... -Karamazov's Loonies- Lord Kaldor Draigo 275 Inquisitor Fyodor Karamazov 200 10 Paladins - 4 psycannons, 2 hammer, 1 sword, 1 banner, 3 halberds, 1 apothecary 730 5 Paladins - 2 psycannons, 2 swords, 1 hammer, 1 halberd 315 1 Soladin, mc deamonhammer 60 Dreadnought - 2 TL autocannons, psybolt ammo 135 Dreadnought - 2 TL autocannons, psybolt ammo 135 -1850- Like most lists it has its good and its bad match ups. Overall though it performs well at tournaments. At 2000 simply add a vindicare assassin. The problem with this list and any Draigo/Karamazov list is that it is not really playable below 1750. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I've always thought the best combo was Coteaz and Karamazov together with a boat load of 3 man henchman squads. Get em into CC and Orbital Strike without scatter. BOMBARDMENT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunrunr Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I've always thought the best combo was Coteaz and Karamazov together with a boat load of 3 man henchman squads. Get em into CC and Orbital Strike without scatter. BOMBARDMENT! Would that not be a victory point for your opponent every time you lost one of those henchman squads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I guess so, but annihilation is always a victory condition... And kind of Karamzov's shtick, too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunrunr Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I have also toyed with that idea but it would suck to have your henchman cut down by enemy fire before you could get them in cc range. I want to build me a Karamazov model but I want a good plan on how to best use him before I spend the money on him and a butt load of henchman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 There is something to be said for a 12 man henchmen squad with Storm Shields, modeled so they're all holding the Storm Shields over their heads in sort of a Roman turtleshell :lol: Utterly useless in combat offensively, but there only needs to be one of them alive a turn for Karamazov to drop Lance strikes down on their heads... EDIT: cheaper to call them Crusaders actually, then you get a power weapon just in case... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 There are reasons to take the big "K' with paladins. If you ever had a squad tank shocked off the table, or shot down turn one, you will see his usefulness. Admittedly we are now talking about the ultimate deathstar ... 1200 points ... ouch. The OSR is strictly speaking a bonus. You will be lucky to get one off in a game. But you really do not want to assault this unit with both draigo and k, and you need to pour every weapon you have into it to weaken or destroy it. So its not too shabby. At 1500 though it is tough to play. You need to drop at minimum one dread which add quite a bit to the list's overall performance. I find that paladin lists overall are a bit boring to play but I built mine because they are a relatively cheap list to put together and easy to transport and play quickly - not a lot of models to move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I've always thought the best combo was Coteaz and Karamazov together with a boat load of 3 man henchman squads. Get em into CC and Orbital Strike without scatter. BOMBARDMENT! Those 3 henchmen need to survive at least one Assault phase, and two Assault phases if you did the assaulting, before you get a chance to shoot the Orbital Strike Relay at them. There not that many units that have trouble taking out 3 T3 models in assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshadow Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 I was planning to use Karamazov and Coteaz together. But I would use the blasts together with Land Raiders. First tank shock and then land three blasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3074976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunrunr Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 There is something to be said for a 12 man henchmen squad with Storm Shields, modeled so they're all holding the Storm Shields over their heads in sort of a Roman turtleshell :) Utterly useless in combat offensively, but there only needs to be one of them alive a turn for Karamazov to drop Lance strikes down on their heads... EDIT: cheaper to call them Crusaders actually, then you get a power weapon just in case... I love this storm shield over the head idea!!!! This is do-able and would look funny as hell on the table and serve a purpose. I'm going to look further into this idea and work some conversion plans in my head. If I build them, I'll be sure to post them up for you guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3075317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Last night I played against Dark Eldar and several times during the game was able to use Karamazov's orbital relay targeting Castellan Crowe while he was engaged with Wyches. Let me say the results to the Wyches was devastating! :P Karamzov has turned out to be quite useful whether I use him with paladins, henchmen, or purifiers. The hard part is finding points for him in the lower point games (1500 and less). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3075544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunrunr Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Last night I played against Dark Eldar and several times during the game was able to use Karamazov's orbital relay targeting Castellan Crowe while he was engaged with Wyches. Let me say the results to the Wyches was devastating! :rolleyes: Karamzov has turned out to be quite useful whether I use him with paladins, henchmen, or purifiers. The hard part is finding points for him in the lower point games (1500 and less). Nice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3077482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I play a Karamazov list regularly and rarely get more than one OSR off. Of course I'm playing a draigo list so I don't get into assault that often as opponents tend to avoid ten man pallie squads and dreadknights in cc. Still, it is a nice extra option. Even without using the OSR much, thre bif 'K' is quite useful. A fearless bubble, a multi-melta, and a deterrent in assault with both draigo and him in the same squad. Good to hear that you got it off several times but in my circle it would not likely happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253362-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3078128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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