Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Okay, so i've been thinking about making a Chapter, but am confused and need help in the fluff department. I want the Chapter to make good use of terror tactics (though not to the extent of the Night Lords, obviously), but am also pushing majorly for a knightly theme. I was thinking that either they could become Astartes terrorists first, then Knights after they get practically abandoned by their allies, with some exceptions and due to their bad rep, or the other way round. They are going to be based in the Eastern Rim, around the same place as the two Ia's i made previously, the Templars Ursine and the Abyssal Hunters. I want them specifically to have a focus on wanting brotherhood, but being held back by their own Chapters spirit. My muse is partly the NL themselves, partly the masochistic nature of the Imperial Fists and also the drive of the Flesh Tearers, to be redeemed and gloried as they believe they deserve. These are just inspiration, and i'd rather not directly draw points from them and crash them together, so i'm asking for Help and Advice. Pretty please with cherry's on top :whistling: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Knights, fighting on with strength and honour when all about them have fled or borken their oaths, pushed to the brink of destruction once too often and found wanting. Too often did they fight on against hope to preserve world after world, but upon the brink of their destruction they find salvation; they will bring terror and pain, such that numbers matter not, and all the while they still fight for the Imperium they slide down into darkness. That idea gives you a few avenues to exploit in various periods of their history, but you might think it's rubbish *shrug* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3075970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 CJJ, that's pretty good... I might take some of that myself... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3075981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 A very nice idea, particuarly in that the chapter would be found wanting, unlike most. hmmm. Still, i need a definite direction. I'm thinking of making them IF descendants, who try and stay noble, even as they (without consciously realising it) worship pain and their own self-destruction. By pushing their self destructive urges into hatred at the enemy, and so using pain as a tactic to punish them, the chapter slowly blends the knightly ideals with the almost obsessive pursuit of the psychological destruction of the enemy, while twisting their own code into a state where only their closest brother chapters would stand by them. By taking the darkest route, they believe they spare their brothers from suffering as they do. Or am i just delusional? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3075991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 pain worship kinda feels like the road to Slannesh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3075997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 worshipping it as an idea, a concept, a weapon. like other Chaplains preaching about the sanctity and power of holy rage (not Khornate rage) the belief system could extoll the power of pain. Physical, to harden you Mental, to teach you And spiritual, to gird your soul in inviolate armour. Although a splinter faction in the same vein as the Fallen is an option, i've got an idea that the 'brotherhood' of Chapters i might create have a 'fallen' ex-Chapter they try and keep under wraps. One who knows they're weaknesses, and focuses on they're own warped path of salvation for the human race. But more on that later... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 I am really begging for help with names here. I have ideas of desolation, loneliness and knights. Unfortunately, i can't think of anything that would allow me to fully represent the big role of pain in the Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Desolation Angels Knights of Dolor Only two I could think of off hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 Knights of Dolor sounds promising, and would contrast nicely, i think, with the way everyone would think of them (as emotianally driven nutters) Thanks, as i can now continue the short story i've just started. :wink: Any other suggestions would be welcomed, and smothered in love, or the nearest equivalent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Dolor is an Internet translation for pain, in Latin, and also means suffering and despair according to the site I got it. Obviosuly that doesn't mean it's accurate, but it does sound good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 So, i have a name and theme. All i need is a homeworld, fleet and the oh-so-important changes to their character that will turn them from a concept to a IA i can realistically expect to write. More brooding ruminating is clearly needed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3076818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 More thoughts for you to ponder: Geneseed of the Imperial Fists Chapter used. The fledgling Chapter clings to the some of the traditions of the Fists, such as use of the Pain Glove. On world "X" the Chapter finds the inhabitants have an interesting relationship with pain; trials for manhood, trials to prove guilt or innocence, marriages and births et al all inolve pain in some way. This draws the interest of the Chapter and so they choose to claim the world as their own. This relationship with pain can then become a dependance, such that if not feeling pain the Marines suffer withdrawl symptoms and can lead - if you go that far in history - to their inevitable downfall as they might fight more powerful foes as they are the only ones who can bring them the pain they truly crave. You can also use a form of "ritual scarring", in that Marines carve their own skin in patterns both to feel the pain but also perhaps in the same way the Salamanders do with fire in the Nick Kyme books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3077587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 An addiction to pain is actually a awesome idea, as is the ritual scarring. It will duly be stolen claimed in the name of the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253500-help-with-creation-of-new-ia/#findComment-3077633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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