Stonedog Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Unless I misunderstand something, we BAs will not have access to the Storm Talon. Am I correct or no? Would make a nice mobile fire platform to lead assault troops... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 At present it's listed in the White Dwarf as being C: SM only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Bracchio Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Everything i've read says Codex Space Marines only. I'm a little puzzled since our chapter should be frothing at the mouth about everything with wings, but maybe the raven is enough? Little revenge from the priests on Mars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I think its in anticipation for 6th to have every army with at least one flyer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonedog Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Good points all.....oh well.....I just thought it would be nice to tear up ground troops and leading Razorbacks full of assault marines to take or contest objectives. I guess our brothers in blue deserve new ways to smite the enemies of the Emperor too.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Bracchio Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 You and me both brother, plus, i really like the model as strange as it seems. ............ Sure, after a little converting on the weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Dave Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 It's a shame I suppose. But we can't have all the Advantages of C: SM and C: BA at the same time :/ Is it just me... Or does the new SM Flyer remind any of you of the 'Little Bird' choppers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3075975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tj9614 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Damn I love the lk of the talon and was going to make it my next addition :P :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCommanderSamirus Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Damn I love the lk of the talon and was going to make it my next addition :D :( So get one anyways. Count it as a Landspeeder Tornado if you'd like. Just make sure you explain what it is to your opponents. -Samirus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokhar Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 We're not missing much, guys. The Storm Talon sucks. Its an overcosted, somewhat-upgunned Land Speeder. I'm not a huge fan of our own Storm Ravens, but our birds are vastly superior to that hideous flying lime. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Yep, and the fact that the Talon makes the Raven look cost effective is saying something! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Angel Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 We're not missing much, guys. The Storm Talon sucks. Its an overcosted, somewhat-upgunned Land Speeder. I'm not a huge fan of our own Storm Ravens, but our birds are vastly superior to that hideous flying lime. What he said, The melta proof AV 11 hull is of little use, most things still pen it pretty easy. I have enough trouble keeping a storm raven on the board with AV12. AV 11 means the dreaded psyfleman and any Krak missile launchers will smack it with pens on a 4+ Assault cannons on a 6+ and psycannons on a 5+ heavy bolters will glance it. Does it get extra armour? if not then it is not ever going to be an auto include. It makes a Stormravens points cost look gracious for an extra 70 we can carry troops and dreads plus an extra AV1 all round. One thing though I really dont think I want one of them around for too long they are not that bad theres a lot of fire power there, I would not ignore them too long on the board either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Pretty much what I thought when I first saw it, its an oversized speeder rather than a chopped down raven I wont buy anything for my speeders (except a MM upgrade) because they drop like flies, this will die just as quickly, at considerably greater expense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 The rules are not even that bad. If they don't move, they fire their weapons at +1 BS, that's pretty good...however in the next turn they are taken down automatically. :wink: AV11 is kinda ridiculous, especially for the price. The rule that makes them appear next to another deepstriking unit is pretty nice though...target saturation and some fire support the turn you deepstrike. The model...well, you have to cut it up to make it look good. I've seen that in a GW where they left off the hideous assault cannon disc and cut down the tailfin. With that, it looks a lot like a helicopter and much better than before. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 @Snorri: Can't escort Deepstriking units - only units that come out from reserve via board edges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Still, for Apoc games some 'Talons done up in BA colours escorting on a Raven from reserves would look fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 @Snorri: Can't escort Deepstriking units - only units that come out from reserve via board edges. Frankly, that's not cool...but I guess the Mahreens have a better use for that than we do. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kem Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 do you really want it? Atm I cannot see any viable use for this fly :yuck: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pararanger Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I picked one up on Friday just to use in Apoc matches. Why? Because I can. I'll probably end up grabbing a second and run them as a paired escort for the Raven or air cover for the ground assault. Didn't expect them to be so small though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Why all the complaints about AV 11? I see people tossing up razorspam lists constantly, and theyre only AV 11. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Why all the complaints about AV 11? I see people tossing up razorspam lists constantly, and theyre only AV 11. I think its the idea of an armor 11 vehicle with ceramite armor to ignore melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 But Razorbacks dont cost 155 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3076960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orkdestroyer1 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 who says blood angels can't have stormtalons white dwarf doesnt say "blood angel players cannot feild these" er...no p.s i am going to paint a death company stormtalon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3077007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barduck Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 my thought aswell. Even if it's a codex:SM extra, blood angels are still SM's, aren't we? We're even mentioned in the SM codex, the fact that we have our own codex too doesn't mean too me we are excluded from anything that's in it (and the manager from the local GW shop agreed with that argument anyway). The other way around however, not all SM's are BA's, they don't have the right to the SW (except GK) cause it's not in the SM codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3077014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 The Storm Talon is an addition to codex space marines. We use codex Blood Angels. What is in codex Space Marines is irrelevant to us, except for killing it in games. We don't get access to anything otuside our codex. Such as Relic Blades, Legion of the Damned, Thunderfire Cannons and now Storm Talons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253501-storm-talon-brothers/#findComment-3077017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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