Jim Shady Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 The Lion loses to Luthor... Hmmmmmm I like to think, the Chaos God's lost in that battle.... :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3078193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I wouldn't worry about duels - once Sigismund the Black Knight is unleashed the traitors will start dying. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3078237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 I wouldn't worry about duels - once Sigismund the Black Knight is unleashed the traitors will start dying. :)Hopefully. I hope he kills plenty of Emperor's Children, Alpha Legion and Night Lords :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3078307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Don't know about that. He'll kill plenty of World Eaters and Sons of Horus at the Siege of Terra however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3078316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I wouldn't worry about duels - once Sigismund the Black Knight is unleashed the traitors will start dying. :tu:Hopefully. I hope he kills plenty of Emperor's Children, Alpha Legion and Night Lords ;) I believe the Night Lords attacked the part of the wall that the Blood Angels were at. Assuming that the flashbacks in A-D-B's Night Lord series is anything to go by. EDIT: Spelling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3078448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 I believe the Night Lords attacked the part of the wall that the Blood Angels were at. Assuming that the flashbacks in A-D-B's Night Lord series is anything to go by.Well, all I can say is I hope Swallow writes that, not A D-B :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Wait, you want James Swallow to write Blood Angels? I hope you never mention that near any of the BA fans. They'll eat you alive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Wait, you want James Swallow to write Blood Angels? I hope you never mention that near any of the BA fans. They'll eat you alive.If a battle between the BA and the NL gets written I hope Swallow does it. If A D-B writes it, it's probably going to be from the perspective of the NL (which would probably mean more focus on NL heroics...or anti-heroics) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 It'd still be biased either way, at least to some degree. I don't think anyone can write a truly neutral narrative. Not without making it sound boring at any rate. Besides, he made the Genesis Marines seem decent, if a little long winded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 It'd still be biased either way, at least to some degree.Aye and as a BA fan I'd rather read about BA heroics as written by Swallow than NL anti-heroics as written by D-B I don't think anyone can write a truly neutral narrative. Not without making it sound boring at any rate. Besides, he made the Genesis Marines seem decent, if a little long winded.Is it ever mentioned how many casualties the Genesis marines inflict upon the NL Astartes (not the mortal crew)? I was rather disappointed that there were no graphic descriptions of NL being killed by Genesis marines ( I suppose Xarl was an exception, it was a mutual kill though ). There was plenty of the opposite. I didn't read the whole book, only skimmed through a friend's copy. I might've missed the parts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Well, the apothecarian is described as basically overfilling, where the kind of arbitary sentencing found in WW2 records is handed out because there's not enough supplies/medics. I would say that the Genesis Marines inflicted more than enough casualtiers, conceding that the Night Lords were fighting on home ground, and were no doubt far more experienced than a great number of the loyalists (apart from captains, the kickass company champion and other veterans that must of have been fighting) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Well, the apothecarian is described as basically overfilling, where the kind of arbitary sentencing found in WW2 records is handed out because there's not enough supplies/medics. I would say that the Genesis Marines inflicted more than enough casualtiers, conceding that the Night Lords were fighting on home ground, and were no doubt far more experienced than a great number of the loyalists (apart from captains, the kickass company champion and other veterans that must of have been fighting)Well, I ask because First Claw generally goes around kicking a$$ (even massacring other NL squads without losing a single man) so it's hard to tell how the battle as a whole has unfolded judging by First Claw's performance alone They were pulling off heroics during the fall of Tsagualsa even though their fellow NL were suffering terrible casualties against the Primogenitors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Well technically it's not related to the topic but, First Claw lost Xarl. The Night Lords were pushed from being about seventy-four Marines(Number is based on Talos saying there are enough for six full claws, the five members of First Claw and the nine surviving Raptors) to about forty or so with every Marine suffering injury. And the entire Loyalist Company didn't even get deployed. Most of them died when Talos blew the moon into them. So directly in terms of the Boarding Action, the Genesis Marines kicked some serious butt. The whole situation was giving the impression that if the second wave ever hit, the Night Lords were done for. Luckily for them, only two pods made it through the void shields but they got stuck on the hull where Lucoryphus got to play Space Vulture with them. By the end of the book, Variel and Lucoryphus are the only two surviving Night Lords from Talos' warband. The rest died on Tsalgualsa. No, they were slaughtered. If it wasn't for the epilogue, it would have been like the seventh Harry Potter book where J.K. Rowling went "Screw you!" and just killed enough of the characters off that there never would be a direct sequel. It wasn't really a "fan book" so much as "an end to an era" book. Because except for Variel, we will never see First Claw again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 In DL, Corax remembers the fight and remembers running away and how it burned at him that he couldn't kill CurzeWell my friend, you did not read DL correctly Corax regrets that he didn't kill Curze, not that he couldn't. He even muses that he could've killed Curze, being the more skilled fighter Anyway, Corax had lost a lightning claw and had just finished a battle with Lorgar (who did manage to land a few hard blows). Taking on Curze with the possibility of Lorgar joining in would not have been very wise. Thats what the rest of us read, atleast those not clad in midnightThey are legion among the traitor fans :) To be fair, Remus Ventanus kills Wordbearers left and right, but Word Bearers tend to be a favourite authour choice of antagonists to be massacred Oh, let's not forget Curze's likely sucker punching of and mauling of Dorn He thinks he was more skilled, nothing in there actually says it. All this my primarch can beat yours is going to lead to is people flaming each other. Yes, we are legion among the 50 active chaos players on this site (compared to the hundreds of loyalist). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Yes, we are legion among the 50 active chaos players on this site (compared to the hundreds of loyalist). Dangnabbit! And here I thought I became a Night Lord fan because it was nonconformity! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 He thinks he was more skilled, nothing in there actually says it. All this my primarch can beat yours is going to lead to is people flaming each other.I'm not saying which primarch would win, I'm saying Corax didn't flee because he thought he was hopelessly outclassed by the mighty Curze Corax thinks he's more skilled but it does seem Curze is physically stronger (though maybe he's just more fresh) Yes, we are legion among the 50 active chaos players on this site (compared to the hundreds of loyalist).Yes, you and the "I am Alpharius" contingent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3079759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I was very annoyed when the two Iron Hands died - Santar to Kaesoron..and Henricos to Aximand. It was really frustrating as Henricos was the superior fighter - he was stronger, quicker and more skilled, but then a Son of Horus gets in the way (who is promptly bisected by Henricos, BTW :P ) , but Aximand then stabs him in the back! :devil: Well, Hibou got revenge...sorta ;) Ah well..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3081726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 I was very annoyed when the two Iron Hands died - Santar to Kaesoron..and Henricos to Aximand. It was really frustrating as Henricos was the superior fighter - he was stronger, quicker and more skilled, but then a Son of Horus gets in the way (who is promptly bisected by Henricos, BTW :) ) , but Aximand then stabs him in the back! :tu: Well, Hibou got revenge...sorta :D Ah well..... Santar vs. Kaesoron was more annoying to me At least Bion went out like a badass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3082639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazak1920 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Agree. I hoped that Santar will kill this deviant for his treacherous attack on ship, but of course that aberrant retard won second time :) And this time he killed poor Gabriel. Really, this was one of the worst loyalist deaths that I've read about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3082819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 It'd still be biased either way, at least to some degree. I don't think anyone can write a truly neutral narrative. Not without making it sound boring at any rate. Besides, he made the Genesis Marines seem decent, if a little long winded. Not to mention in the HH flashbacks the Blood Angels were kicking Night Lord butt with their sharpshooting. The frustrated Night Lord "curse those Blood Angel sons of whores!" quote comes to mind. :tu: Good times... Aye and as a BA fan I'd rather read about BA heroics as written by Swallow than NL anti-heroics as written by D-B What about as a BA and NL fan? Soul Hunter hit hard when both fought each other. May Night Haunter/Sanguinius damn/drag ADB's soul to the warp/Emperor's judgement for conflicting me so dearly. More to your point, depending on how Fear to Tread goes I would like both authors to write from both perspectives of the Battle of Terra. Swallow gets a bad rep from his BA series, but IIRC he wrote Flight of the Eisenstein which was a pretty darn good book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3082895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 Not to mention in the HH flashbacks the Blood Angels were kicking Night Lord butt with their sharpshooting. The frustrated Night Lord "curse those Blood Angel sons of whores!I only recall that the hand of a NL is shot off, it isn't even a kill-shotI wouldn't call that kicking butt. In the NL series, NL deaths caused by loyalists are very rarely described in detail Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3083497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Agree. I hoped that Santar will kill this deviant for his treacherous attack on ship, but of course that aberrant retard won second time :D And this time he killed poor Gabriel. Really, this was one of the worst loyalist deaths that I've read about. Agreed. It was really annoying :tu: I would like some more on Santar as Feat of Iron did not really describe him too well, imho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3084876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not to mention in the HH flashbacks the Blood Angels were kicking Night Lord butt with their sharpshooting. The frustrated Night Lord "curse those Blood Angel sons of whores!I only recall that the hand of a NL is shot off, it isn't even a kill-shotI wouldn't call that kicking butt. In the NL series, NL deaths caused by loyalists are very rarely described in detail Maybe because those are NL books? Honestly how many loyalist centered HH books are there? Deliverance Lost is somewhat, KNF is more about the Ultras than the WBs and then there's the DA series. So far the Heresy has more been about why/how the traitors betrayed the Imperium. We're only just starting to get into the real legion vs legion action. Maybe then you'll see more loyalists winning, but as someone else mentioned most of this time period was about the rebels doing suprise attacks on their former allies. Up until the Scouring there will be alot of traitors victorious I think. Yes, you and the "I am Alpharius" contingent As for this, you're a Blood Angel player correct? You and your legion alone outnumber us probably 2:1 at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3084903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 Maybe because those are NL books? Honestly how many loyalist centered HH books are there?Fair enough As for this, you're a Blood Angel player correct? You and your legion alone outnumber us probably 2:1 at least.Loyalists outnumber Chaos, I know. I only said that NL and AL are very popular among Chaos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3085231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Define "popular." I see more Black Legion and World Eaters than I do Night Lords and Alpha Legion. At least tabletop wise. Now I do see a rather large majority as far as book readers go. I wouldn't necessarily classify them as the NL and AL fans specifically. But then again, I am unsure on just how to make the separation besides "tabletop" and "book". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253541-can-loyalists-start-winning-some-duels-p/page/2/#findComment-3085236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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