Lion El Jonson , Second finest general

[Augustus]

Why would it boil your blood? The whole point for the Dark Angels fluff is for them to seem like half traitors and not wanting others to find out, resorting to murdering Inquisitors and therefore making their redemption cringeworthy. That's what Curze warned the Lion about - his dealing with the Night Lords would cost him is reputation in the future, he would never enjoy the same aura of unwavering loyalty as Sanguinius, Dorn or Guilliman.

 

My guess is people say 'Half the Legion' as in 'Half remained loyalist, half turned to Chaos'. As in, two sides of something, I don't see many posters going for the exact numbers.

Half is a half. I don't know how to treat it any other way. 7 out if my 10 friends came to the bar. I wouldn't say half didn't come. Even with the old numbers and the old fluff those who perpetuate this "half the legion went traitor" thing need to take in account that the old fluff has the Lion with the second amount of victories. He did that with half his legion on caliban? Wow, awesome.

 

If anybody could cite anything for me I'd appreciate it.

[High MarshalGR]

Sorry I meant Loyal from a perspective of the Imperium and ideals of the Emperor. Vulkan is loyal but would place humanity over the Imperium, where as the loyal nature of the others was also slightly different.

 

I'm wrong anyway. When I think about it, Guilliman counted only a few brothers as friends and they were all Warmaster material apart from Ferrus Manus, and he considered him very highly as one of his dauntless few.

 

What I should have said is how Guilliman was only friends with those on his level. He's like an intellectual who just operates on a different wave length to others. Oh my, he's a 40K geek!

 

Seems like he had a lot of respect for Perturabo too though. Due to his nature though it appears Perturabo wouldn't allow himself to be close to anyway.

 

@Legatus; no I'm not referring to the Dauntless few but there is a little cross over. Guilliman remarks about his only friends among the Primarchs being Sanguinius, Horus, Dorn and Ferrus Manus, yet adds Russ to his Dauntless Few in a separate introspection.

 

I always thought there were some he respected as well but as a geek didn't know how to show it: Khan, Petrurabo (for the Codex he used their wisdom on their fields after all) and Russ. It was something they may have never acknowledged but I think he respected and thought highly of them in a deep manner. But there is what you said Greyall, he didn't know how to approach them, how to show them what he felt, and also went on to reveal their "weak points" (they were also points that made them unique as well though). He lacked the charisma of Horus. So he kept his respect within and left them all to blame and finger point him for any reason what-so-ever. He would become the "let's blame someone... Guilliman!" type of guy lol!

[Captain Idaho]

Ha like 40K players do in real life with Ultramarines!

[Greyall]

One thing I never understood is why Corax is referred to as 'bitter'. Why would he be bitter before the Heresy? Sure, he wasn't Sunshine Canary, but I never put him beyond lacking in humour and being a little nit-picky on account of preferring covert missions.

 

Edit: Ultras represent the Government, so to speak, and they kind of were at the time of the Scouring. A time during which, though much heretic arse was kicked/pulverized, only sorrow and rage remained. On that matter, I'd love to read a story about the Khan during the Scouring. must be a bigger account of righteous, murderous anger than that time someone took me for an Eldar fan.

[calgar101]

From what I read in Soul Forge Corax respected Guilliman highly and the pair spent a fair bit of time together; well enough time for Corax to show him the merits of guerilla fighters and the pair to play a lot of wargames against one another.

[High MarshalGR]

One thing I never understood is why Corax is referred to as 'bitter'. Why would he be bitter before the Heresy? Sure, he wasn't Sunshine Canary, but I never put him beyond lacking in humour and being a little nit-picky on account of preferring covert missions.

 

Edit: Ultras represent the Government, so to speak, and they kind of were at the time of the Scouring. A time during which, though much heretic arse was kicked/pulverized, only sorrow and rage remained. On that matter, I'd love to read a story about the Khan during the Scouring. must be a bigger account of righteous, murderous anger than that time someone took me for an Eldar fan.

 

I would like to see the work of Khan, Russ and the Lion during the Scouring... It would be great to see the tension the Dark Angels used to chase the Fallen of their brethren and the other traitors since the matters in their case were far more... personal.

 

@calgar101: I find it nice this pair is in agreement. 

[calgar101]

Yeah, when Corax talks about Guilliman, he shows you the sort of Primarch he is. One of Guillimans greatest strengths is his ability to learn quickly.

[Nathaniel.Garro]

I just made this account because I felt the need to post on a different discussion but lost it after creating the account, then ended up reading this one.

 

I've read every HH up to angel exterminatus which I am currently reading and the lion is one of my favourite primarchs he is said to the the best strategist out of his brother primarchs and probably one of the better fighters considering what he does to the night haunter. But not the best general considering what happens on caliban with his so called trusted legionaries/people turning against him! The biggest suprise to me was Luthers betrayal.

 

The lion is definately loyal from what I've read so far, taking strategic points to stifle horus' efforts and taking control of the super machine/warp god thingy to ensure horus' failure.

 

Please feel free to correct me as some of the books I read a while back and I'm not completely up to date.

 

Garro

[Nathaniel.Garro]

I made my first post and realised I missed something out about the super machine/warp god thingy that the lion took control of to ensure Horus' failure. It was implied that the lion would use it to also make sure the likes of guiliman or others wouldn't try to take the place of the emperor if horus had killed him.

[Conn Eremon]

Welcome to B&C, brother.

 

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Edit: Like so.

[Nathaniel.Garro]

Thank you

[depthcharge12]

FNG

 

:P

[TheAurelian]

The Lion seems to have inherited from the Big E 2 things:

 

1) A boat load of arrogance,

2) A sense of entitlement,

 

I'm liking how well he's being portrayed if not the characteristics/

 

Riki

 

When they arrived on Terra, the Lion got so angry with Russ that he stabbed him in the chest, but his grief stopped him before he punctured the secondary heart. You're right though, the "messing up his plan" fight was just a punch, not a stab.

i don't think he is near as arrogant as Horus becomes. I loved he first three books but i felt that only in the first one were Horus's real personaity and attributes seen. Yes I do think that The Lion is aloof, but i think this is because he Is the primarch of the FIRST legion. He has a certain nobility to uphold and I do think this comes off as arrogant.