Loki-LaughingDeath Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Okay I just had a quick question about the Wolf Standard and the other new finecast models that have been produced. I was just wondering if anybody has picked them up and what their experience has been with them.... I have a couple of wolf standards made(the fantastic thing is that the Tenebrae Lux is forcing me to paint more) and I was wondering if it's easier to just by one or 4 of the Finecast and free hand them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The standard is molded so you'd have to be inventive design wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The standard bearer and the Cybo-wolf are the two kits I have not picked up. Arjac was mildly full of holes, while the TWL was just plain ol' :cussed up. I took a look at one of the standard models at my LGS and it looked clean, but I already have my standard bearers. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The standard bearer and the Cybo-wolf are the two kits I have not picked up. Arjac was mildly full of holes, while the TWL was just plain ol' :cussed up. I took a look at one of the standard models at my LGS and it looked clean, but I already have my standard bearers. End of Line Well, then I guess, I'd never have the guts to buy Arjac and TWL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 As a rule, I'm avoiding finecast altogether. People in my gaming group are having far to many problems with them. Holes, bubbles, deformities, bends that can't be undone. Models with les detail are turning out better, but that standard bearer has a lot of detail, and that lord costs a fair bit of cash. A bit too much to end up with a model thats has its fair share of holes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 As a rule, I'm avoiding finecast altogether. People in my gaming group are having far to many problems with them. Holes, bubbles, deformities, bends that can't be undone. Models with les detail are turning out better, but that standard bearer has a lot of detail, and that lord costs a fair bit of cash. A bit too much to end up with a model thats has its fair share of holes. Exactly! The only models which I ordered on internet were Treekin and I did not care about any finecast issues, since any issues would have probably even benefittd them - if You know Treekin, You know what I mean. As a rule, I am only buying complicated finecast if I can inspect them beforehands and with Arjac and TWL they come in closed non-transparent box, so it is a no-no for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 how do you fix fine cast? call GW and tell them you have a bad cast...fixed, FOR FREE! i have had very few problems, somethings to EXPECT with resin: Bubbles sometimes a deformity (including FW) i dont have the standard, i saw an arjac that i should have gotten. as a note, i have several finecast with no problems that couldnt be fixed by a phone call or liquid green stuff, including a TWL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pall Ironbear Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Finecast is too hit and miss with the quality. I have several pieces that were ok. Others had to be returned. I've had 3 Arjacs so far, all had serious issues around his head, looks like that is the place that bubbles collect in the mold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Only fine cast I have dealt with is Njal. Overall it was fine, the only problems being a miscast beak on his bird, and his staff was snapped in two. Both easily fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3082924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Since GW is using a cheaper material (than metal) on these models, why are we paying more for them?? It's certainly not so they can put that extra money toward quality control. Finecast is a buyer beware product, to say the least. I will not buy anymore after the last debacle I had with the line, but that is my personal opinion about the product. I just want others to be aware of the fact that more often then not a top of the price range model is going to require above average repair. So unless you're a GS master, just kit bash your own model!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 so far for finecast i ahve done the following: 2x crowe, issues: minor miscasting on one sword but not issues you cant see if from 3 feet away and still painted nicely. Techmarine: the issue that i had with it was of my own causing, still broke when it hit pavement fallign out of my bag. the plus to it, super easy to repair (axe broke off) and the back pack fell off, glue and a new hand done. TWL: dog are the lord, GW replaced it. Termy Libby: broke the staff, glued it back on. Mandrakes: they broke from me not storing them properly (was thinking about playing DE but stopped that idea.) miscast issues, minor some air bubbles (to be expected), no deformities that were major. the TWL that i got at my LGS was reported to have an issue, but when i looked at it, even with minor GS applications you couldnt notice. morale of the story if you have an issue with the product taht you cannot over come, CALL GW! even if it takes 5 times or what ever, they are going to replace it FOR FREE! I even had a bottle of superglue that was replaced. FINECAST IS GOOD STUFF!! drop the butthurt, realize that the details are much better than metals (edges are crisper). GW is going to jack the prices just to stay in business. think about it, would you want to be stuck with 5e forever? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Your opinion, not mine. I am not 'butt hert', just annoyed at poor product and quality control issues. I've also had all of my janky product replaced, but at what cost?? My time. Maybe your time is less important than mine brother. People have every right to know about the up's and down's of this line, and there is nothing wrong with voicing one's experiences to inform others. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Just received my wolf claw wolf guard. Loads of flash so will have to be careful cleaning near details. Luckily I'm not usin the arms. None of the claws are straight, a chunk is missing from the edge of a pad and one of the cables has a big gap in it. Still hacking that stupid head off though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 @forte; call for replacements before you do! you might end up getting a second wolf guard model for free! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Maybe your time is less important than mine brother. ive got more time than money. and its not poor quality if you understand that it is resin, and all resin products run the risk of having bubbles and bad pours. anything that has to be poured, is going to have bad pours. used to play roller hockey and on a top of the line wheel i have seen people buy new ones to be blown out the same day, due to a bad pour. bad quality check? no, cause you cant find every tiny little defect. out of each one on the shelf do you think they just throw them in the package and let it go? im sure they have a fail rate of models that they melt down and reuse. @forte; call for replacements before you do! you might end up getting a second wolf guard model for free! and this is why prices go up. yes you COULD, but is it RIGHT? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 My time is precious, which was the point of my comment toasterfree. And there is no way some of the models that get released have been looked over for ANY kind of quality assurance. Bubbles are one thing, but huge gaps, missing hoses, bubbles that take up the entire FACE of a model, and my personal favorite, a TWL lord whos wolfs head was over an 8th of an ich of centered to the right. That's no bubble. Agree to disagree. I just don't feel like defending a product that I feel is sub par, while you do want to defend the product because you see it as manageable. 'Nuff said. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 @Toasterfree. Hendrik is essentially right. The mini is also order only so I couldn't check it before buying. Being that I've worked in retail since 1996 (two years at GW too), I know that this effectively comes under the Statutory Rights being that it is not to the expected standard. As for issues like this forcing GW to pit prices up, that's rubbish. All manufacturing companies should factor 'know loss' into their budgets. Especially if they are happy to still use a product which often results in lower than expected standard. What doesn't help them is that they've done this sort of thing so often and as they effectively have no competition for the product they sell and anyone who does sell their products have to buy stock from GW. They also have a higher margin than anyone else selling their products. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 @forte; call for replacements before you do! you might end up getting a second wolf guard model for free! and this is why prices go up. yes you COULD, but is it RIGHT? heck it's right!if you buy your son/smaller cousin/some kid a lego kit, but some of the legoblocks are mangled,wouldn't you complain? even though you'll know the kid will most likely end up building something else from it anyway? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 @forte; call for replacements before you do! you might end up getting a second wolf guard model for free! and this is why prices go up. yes you COULD, but is it RIGHT? heck it's right!if you buy your son/smaller cousin/some kid a lego kit, but some of the legoblocks are mangled,wouldn't you complain? even though you'll know the kid will most likely end up building something else from it anyway? did you not see that i have called for replacements???? thats not what i am saying. i am thinking that there is now a case of me misunderstanding. i think what i was reading was doign it to GET a second model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 Gents please refrain from bashing on each other I just wanted to know whether or not the new standard bearer was worth it and from the statement that the details are molded on it may not be....considering that I like the conversions that Maverick and DV8 have done. I do appreciate the feedback but it benefits our enemies when we chew each other to pieces over something like this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 While casting deformaties are to be expected when dealing with resin, the number of deformaities with finecast is a bit much. There are far too many. I've had some dealings with FW before and the replacement parts have always been perfect quality, but when I have to return a model more than once to Gw, theres a problem there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Nemiel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 While casting deformaties are to be expected when dealing with resin, the number of deformaities with finecast is a bit much. There are far too many. I've had some dealings with FW before and the replacement parts have always been perfect quality, but when I have to return a model more than once to Gw, theres a problem there. GWs finecast and FW use 2 different resins, FWs resin is like "normal" resin, bubbles and deformities are expected...GWs stuff seems to bend under temperature influence, which is added to normal resin issues=FAIL! Plain and simple, GW/FW resin is a Mass product and they dont seem to care about too much about quality control...i know resin from scale modeling, way before i had any FW stuff maybe some deformities there which are easily fixed and bubbles if youre very unlucky!! Those companies are way smaller than GW, they simply cant afford such bad qualities! You really cant compare GW modeling with scale modeling, my personal conclusion is even if resin aint cheap for scale modeling youll get something worth your money, GW is nowadays simply just expensive with the future promise of further price raises! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3083433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 did you not see that i have called for replacements???? thats not what i am saying. i am thinking that there is now a case of me misunderstanding. i think what i was reading was doign it to GET a second model I blamez zi internetz brother! now where did I leave my stein? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3084241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 did you not see that i have called for replacements???? thats not what i am saying. i am thinking that there is now a case of me misunderstanding. i think what i was reading was doign it to GET a second model I blamez zi internetz brother! now where did I leave my stein? :P right near my sanity....which means we are both SOL. DOH! ;) :P ;) ;) :P :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3084259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikken Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 fine cast gives improved detail on the models , but the over all quality is not very good , I have 5 fine cast pieces so far and I am paranoid about them breaking , The Najal model is ok , but his staff is very flimsy , and the wolf tail that is suppose to attach to it just snapped of right out of the spru . I have the mangler squig as well as som tyranids . the mangler is a $70 accident waiting to happen it is too fragile . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/253986-question-about-finecast-models/#findComment-3084858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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