Febelcrofas Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I think Garro will become Janus, I've just got a feeling in my water. Also as the voice acting in the audio dramas proves, he is also Patrick Stuart so a role of this stature is only right :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3200656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I'm curious as to why people seem to be assuming that Janus was a psyker? :) Spot on. Personaly, I thought "Janus" could have been an elegant way of addressing Loken's emergent second persona - that of Cerberus. That having been said, I can't imagine Loken becoming Supreme Grand Master unless Garro dies first. I think Omegon as Janus is a stretch... But it would explain a theme I found to be an equal stretch... That the Grey Knights use the Geneseed of the Emperor himself. Unless the Emperor had already devised a way to harness his genetic material to substitute for that of a Primarch, it just seems like a very convenient answer given the amount of time it took to create his twenty sons and their Legions. Furthermore, it's not as if the Grey Knights can speak with absolute certainty regarding their origins. They may think they have the Emperor's Geneseed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3200825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The Grey Knights are actually the Alpha Legions Librarius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The Grey Knights are actually the Alpha Legions Librarius. If that ever becomes true, I will eat my own feet. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 the grey nights have the emperors geneseed so they could actually be adeptus custodes this whole time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Welcome first of all. As for Janus, we don't know. Since he's a psyker he can't be Loken nor Garro but he's probably one of gents hired by Garro. well, considering that loken has been crushed by a titan/falling building, survived a virus bomb,, survived a duel with abby, punked lucius the eternal, took a world eater in cc, pwned the 2 marines the WE was with, and then came back to his sanity with a single sentence... i believe that loken will manifest whatever abilites the BL decides to give him. maybe he is a latent psyker that abilities were brought out by the trauma he suffered in being so awesome. :D WLK what book says he was crushed by a titan In Galixy in FLames, Loken was saved from Abaddons death blow by the Dies Irae kicking/ stepping on the building the Mournival had thier honer duels in. I've been thinking about this for a bit actually. They state that the Inquisition was formed for 4 mortals and 8 space marine. So far we know of garro (death guard), loken (Luna wolf), iacton crude (Luna wolf) messa varren (world eater) and rubios (ultramarine). That leaves us with 3you grand masters we have yet to see. That is so long as those first 8 knight errants became the 8grand masters. my list is Loken aka Cerberus -- Luna Wolves unknown -- Impiral Fist Tarvitz -- Emperors Children Garro aka Janus -- Death Guard Varren -- World Eaters Arvida -- Thousand Son Tarrasch -- Iron Warriors Rubio -- Ultramarines ect.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dimetrius Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I can't believe the giraffe theory hasn't been mentioned yet. ;) I like the Omegon idea. But we have a lot of story to go yet. I plan on enjoying the ride. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The Grey Knights are actually the Alpha Legions Librarius. If that ever becomes true, I will eat my own feet. ;) Eh, half the Imperium have never heard of the Grey Knights, they like secrecy, do some dubious things with pious Imperial women, have a guy stuck in the warp, and like Exterminatus of Imperial citizens just because they saw the Grey Knights. And seemingly they know way too much. Smells like an Alpha Legion plot to me. Either that, or one of them is going to be uncovered because he was mumbling "But I'M Alpharius" in his sleep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Sorry for the double post, but... the grey nights have the emperors geneseed so they could actually be adeptus custodes this whole time The Adeptus Custodes are genetically engineered differently to Space Marines, using earlier techniques. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Sorry for the double post, but... the grey nights have the emperors geneseed so they could actually be adeptus custodes this whole time The Adeptus Custodes are genetically engineered differently to Space Marines, using earlier techniques. if that were true how come they didnt die like the thunder warriors cause they were also made from earlier techniques Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The Grey Knights are actually the Alpha Legions Librarius. If that ever becomes true, I will eat my own feet. :P Eh, half the Imperium have never heard of the Grey Knights, they like secrecy, do some dubious things with pious Imperial women, have a guy stuck in the warp, and like Exterminatus of Imperial citizens just because they saw the Grey Knights. And seemingly they know way too much. Smells like an Alpha Legion plot to me. Either that, or one of them is going to be uncovered because he was mumbling "But I'M Alpharius" in his sleep. well thats a good point remember what happened after the first Armageddon war with the grey knights and space wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 the grey nights have the emperors geneseed I'm actually hoping the novels will put this in doubt. It was neat when it was a rumor and a bit of hearsay in Chambers Codex, but then Ward had to mallet it home 'We're genetically incapable of being anything but awesome!' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 unknown -- Impiral Fist based on the new audio book - i don't think so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 unknown -- Impiral Fist based on the new audio book - i don't think so. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Burden_of_Duty_(Audio_Book) It seems that Garro will be going to the Phalanx to get one of the IF Librians who we found out in Fear to tread were imprisoned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Sorry for the double post, but... the grey nights have the emperors geneseed so they could actually be adeptus custodes this whole time The Adeptus Custodes are genetically engineered differently to Space Marines, using earlier techniques. if that were true how come they didnt die like the thunder warriors cause they were also made from earlier techniques Earlier techniques, yes, but far more refined. A Thunder Warrior is to a Custodian, as a Semi Truck is to a Ferarri. The process to make a Thunder Warrior did make excellent warriors (some say stronger and nastier than an Astartes), but was crude, resulting in traumatic body shutdown, insanity, uncontrollable body-eating cancers, etc. The Emperor perfected the process for his Custodes, at the cost of some of that power and strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Sorry for the double post, but that last post got me thinking. I think I just figured out not only who is one of the Grand Masters, but where the Grey Knight gene-seed comes from... SPOILER ALERT for THE OUTCAST DEAD!!!! Arik Taranis, the Last of the Thunder Warriors. Stay with me on this one. In Outcast Dead, The two Thunder Warriors in the book not only show a high resistance to psychic powers (dare I say, immunity?), but at the end of the book, Arik Taranis finishes creating gene-seed. Replicated from the genetic blueprint of a dead Astartes, yes, but pure Gene-seed, without Primarchian coding. Is it too far-fetched that this untouched gene-seed, and this monster of a psychically-resistant warrior whose sole devotion and reason for existing is the Emperor, had something to do with the creation of the Grey Knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Not really no, except didn't Arik Taranis have a son? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 No, just a fellow Thunder Warrior named Ghota. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 unknown -- Impiral Fist based on the new audio book - i don't think so. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Burden_of_Duty_(Audio_Book) It seems that Garro will be going to the Phalanx to get one of the IF Librians who we found out in Fear to tread were imprisoned. yeah, that happens in burden of duty.... the imperial fist says no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I assume Dorn is saving them for the Siege of Terra? Garro did try to recruit one of them to work for Malcador, but not avail. The Imperial Fists are known for being stubborn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Sorry for the double post, but that last post got me thinking. I think I just figured out not only who is one of the Grand Masters, but where the Grey Knight gene-seed comes from... SPOILER ALERT for THE OUTCAST DEAD!!!! Arik Taranis, the Last of the Thunder Warriors. Stay with me on this one. In Outcast Dead, The two Thunder Warriors in the book not only show a high resistance to psychic powers (dare I say, immunity?), but at the end of the book, Arik Taranis finishes creating gene-seed. Replicated from the genetic blueprint of a dead Astartes, yes, but pure Gene-seed, without Primarchian coding. Is it too far-fetched that this untouched gene-seed, and this monster of a psychically-resistant warrior whose sole devotion and reason for existing is the Emperor, had something to do with the creation of the Grey Knights? thats a great theory i would never have thought of that do anyone think that they will make a book on why the marines in outcast dead and others from loyalist in the jail the first place and also if those marines were kept without there primarchs know could it be possible the so called missing primarchs could be there to and one more thing why are some post getting blacked out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 thats a great theory i would never have thought of that Thank you, rather proud of it myself, lol. do anyone think that they will make a book on why the marines in outcast dead and others from loyalist in the jail the first place Nah, most likely not; they already explain it all in Outcast Dead, their Primarchs had gone traitor, so they are guilty by association. No loyalist legion warriors were imprisioned. and also if those marines were kept without there primarchs know could it be possible the so called missing primarchs could be there to Hell no. Never expect GeeDub to explain what happened to the missing Primarchs, it's part of the charm, man. and one more thing why are some post getting blacked out Spoiler tags. Just highlight the bar to see what was typed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 thats a great theory i would never have thought of that Thank you, rather proud of it myself, lol. do anyone think that they will make a book on why the marines in outcast dead and others from loyalist in the jail the first place Nah, most likely not; they already explain it all in Outcast Dead, their Primarchs had gone traitor, so they are guilty by association. No loyalist legion warriors were imprisioned. and also if those marines were kept without there primarchs know could it be possible the so called missing primarchs could be there to Hell no. Never expect GeeDub to explain what happened to the missing Primarchs, it's part of the charm, man. and one more thing why are some post getting blacked out Spoiler tags. Just highlight the bar to see what was typed. actually they the thousand son said dont let any of the loyalist out cause marine from each chapter were to form a crusade company but something must happenned bad and were sent to the prison Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Huh. Well, sucks to be them. Another case of " guilty by association", hanging out with traitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 unknown -- Impiral Fist based on the new audio book - i don't think so. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Burden_of_Duty_(Audio_Book) It seems that Garro will be going to the Phalanx to get one of the IF Librians who we found out in Fear to tread were imprisoned. yeah, that happens in burden of duty.... the imperial fist says no. I hate when I'm behind the curve. Thanks. Well just because he says "No" now dose not mean he wont say yes in time to join the other 7. I want to say more but i want to give more people time to get a hold of Burden of Duty. It really moves the ball forward on this topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254004-knights-errants-grey-knights-during-the-heresy/page/2/#findComment-3201758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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