Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 The gods, before their awakening, were proto entities, slowly growing. As the emperor is. ;) Besides, T can't know what Pariahs, or anyone with the Paraiah gene (like Culexes Assassins for example) are thinking/planning/doing. So there's a massive gap in his knowledge there. Also, the rumour is there is a race of Xenos that is 'immune' to the Warp. T couldn't do anything about them. And I'm sure there are other Races/Abilities/Items of Power that create zero, or negative impact in/on the Warp. Such as Null Rods. All those would scupper T's knoweldge. Very knoweldgable, he is. Omniscient, he isn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 That is very true. But every interaction of such beings with other non warp proof people are still a valuable source of knowledge on such individuals for Tzeentch. Still, the Great Scheme is ridden with backup plans and all. Because he can't read them doesn't mean they are out of his plans. The emperor "soul" is not growing. It is slowly dilluting in the warp, and is corrupted by Chaos. Canon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I doubt that very much. :) Especially if the only Canon support is a RT era book, which is sadly, woefully outdated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 That is very true. But every interaction of such beings with other non warp proof people are still a valuable source of knowledge on such individuals for Tzeentch. Still, the Great Scheme is ridden with backup plans and all. Because he can't read them doesn't mean they are out of his plans. The emperor "soul" is not growing. It is slowly dilluting in the warp, and is corrupted by Chaos. Canon. I doubt that very much. :) Especially if the only Canon support is a RT era book, which is sadly, woefully outdated. Especially as there is no Canon. See other threads on this issue. And here's a monkey wrench in the idea the Tz "knows all dreams" and therefore "knows the future". He can know the dreams of every dreamer in the universe but a big asteroid can still wipe out all life on a planet, and if no one knew the asteroid was there then Tz wouldn't know about that future. There is a difference between being able to see through the minds eye of every living thing in the universe (which even Tz can't do - ie Pariahs) and knowing the state of all matter and energy in the universe (which would be the equivalent of knowing the future) - sentient, alive-but-not-sentient, and inorganic/inert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcielago Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 So this whole thread is essentially a fluff rant?? And isn't the point of fluff to be that GW leaves some loose ends to either fix later or let other players speculate to their own ends? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I doubt that very much. :) Especially if the only Canon support is a RT era book, which is sadly, woefully outdated. So that is outdated but not when dumb imperial fanboi just misread the seinsei thing ? :( Not contradicted by recent fluff so at this moment : the soul of the emperor is corrupted by Chaos. Written black on white. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Who are you calling a dumb fanboi? Of corse Sensei are outdated. There's been no official rules on them since RT. Which I also find sad. And here's a monkey wrench in the idea the Tz "knows all dreams" and therefore "knows the future". Indeed. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 And here's a monkey wrench in the idea the Tz "knows all dreams" and therefore "knows the future". Indeed. :) Clearly, but knowing all intentions, thoughts and dreams is another thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Very knoweldgable, he is. Omniscient, he isn't. It's just not possible for T to be Omniscient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 For sure. But about every single human/eldar ect, he knows everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Apart from when those plans are interrupted by paraiahs, culexes assassins, null rods or meteor strikes... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think that meteor strikes are fairly a thing that is easily dealt with by the races of the dark millennium. If one being is aware, T too. And Pariah, cullexus ect. are not human beings. They are mutants, you're human when you have that weakness to the warp. And as I said, every of their interaction with any human being is just known. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Or a sudden appearance of a singularity. Or other such mass extinction events that have nothing to do with sentient life. As for the Pariahs, T might know that a human was dealing with one, but wouldn't know what the Pariah had planed, or intended to do, so in turn T wouldn't be able to plan for that. They would be an utter unkown. Inluding thier motivations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Most pariahs are enslaved. They follow orders (just like assassins do). Sudden appearance / singularity ? If it's warp inducted, he most likely knows. In other cases, as far as I know the fluff don't mention anything, so I guess it's right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think that meteor strikes are fairly a thing that is easily dealt with by the races of the dark millennium. If one being is aware, T too.And Pariah, cullexus ect. are not human beings. They are mutants, you're human when you have that weakness to the warp. And as I said, every of their interaction with any human being is just known. Or a sudden appearance of a singularity. Or other such mass extinction events that have nothing to do with sentient life. As for the Pariahs, T might know that a human was dealing with one, but wouldn't know what the Pariah had planed, or intended to do, so in turn T wouldn't be able to plan for that. They would be an utter unkown. Inluding thier motivations. Or an unknown weakness in a starship's FTL drive (which happens to be transporting an IG regiment or three), or an accidental slip and fatal fall on the part of some high-ranking field commander, or some grunts Plasmagun overheating at a critical moment causing the tide of battle to swing in an unforseen direction. Sorry, but "knowing everyone's hopes, fears, dreams, plans, etc..." is a far cry from knowing anything about the future. And I won't even delve into the possibilities of Tz "knowing" the plans of some crazed schizophrenic for world domination with his imaginary army of genetically-enhanced, power-armored pink elephants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 And I won't even delve into the possibilities of Tz "knowing" the plans of some crazed schizophrenic for world domination with his imaginary army of genetically-enhanced, power-armored pink elephants. He's the god who knows everything you've ever dreamed of and everything you could have had in mind. He knows. Or an unknown weakness in a starship's FTL drive (which happens to be transporting an IG regiment or three), or an accidental slip and fatal fall on the part of some high-ranking field commander, or some grunts Plasmagun overheating at a critical moment causing the tide of battle to swing in an unforseen direction. Sorry, but "knowing everyone's hopes, fears, dreams, plans, etc..." is a far cry from knowing anything about the future. Which is why he is also the god of schemes and plots. Backup plans to everything. Ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 And I won't even delve into the possibilities of Tz "knowing" the plans of some crazed schizophrenic for world domination with his imaginary army of genetically-enhanced, power-armored pink elephants. He's the god who knows everything you've ever dreamed of and everything you could have had in mind. He knows. Or an unknown weakness in a starship's FTL drive (which happens to be transporting an IG regiment or three), or an accidental slip and fatal fall on the part of some high-ranking field commander, or some grunts Plasmagun overheating at a critical moment causing the tide of battle to swing in an unforseen direction. Sorry, but "knowing everyone's hopes, fears, dreams, plans, etc..." is a far cry from knowing anything about the future. Which is why he is also the god of schemes and plots. Backup plans to everything. Ever. Hmm, sounds more like Chick Norris to me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 He's the god who knows everything you've ever dreamed of and everything you could have had in mind. He knows. I don't think anyone would have dreamed that thier FTL drive explodes. Or thier Gellar Field disintergrates. Or that they slip in the shower and brain themselves. Or thier teleporter array 'mishaps' and Teleports them into the centre of a sun. I doubt anyone would have had that in mind, or planned for it either. Hmm, sounds more like Chick Norris to me... LoL. Must be a joke there somewhere. :P Tzeentch dosn't know the future, he just roundhouse kicks it in the face! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 He's the god who knows everything you've ever dreamed of and everything you could have had in mind. He knows. I don't think anyone would have dreamed that thier FTL drive explodes. Or thier Gellar Field disintergrates. Or that they slip in the shower and brain themselves. Or thier teleporter array 'mishaps' and Teleports them into the centre of a sun. I doubt anyone would have had that in mind, or planned for it either. :P Warp inducted ? Well, I guess he knows. Tzeentch is not Chuck Norrisy, because in fact, he's playing only for himself. He is so over the considerations of humans and xenos that they are nothing but a funny distraction to him. The great scheme is far bigger than everything any living thing ever achived. You can't fight Tzeentch, it makes no sense. Just like you can't fight fate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Now who sounds like the fanboi? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 He's the god who knows everything you've ever dreamed of and everything you could have had in mind. He knows. I don't think anyone would have dreamed that thier FTL drive explodes. Or thier Gellar Field disintergrates. Or that they slip in the shower and brain themselves. Or thier teleporter array 'mishaps' and Teleports them into the centre of a sun. I doubt anyone would have had that in mind, or planned for it either. :P Warp inducted ? Well, I guess he knows. Tzeentch is not Chuck Norrisy, because in fact, he's playing only for himself. He is so over the considerations of humans and xenos that they are nothing but a funny distraction to him. The great scheme is far bigger than everything any living thing ever achived. You can't fight Tzeentch, it makes no sense. Just like you can't fight fate. Well, then, gee - I guess Nurgle, Korn, and Slannesh should just fold up their pup-tents and grovel in the gardens of Tz. Because, you know, they are clearly so outclassed by the uber-Chuck Norris of the hard to spell name... And you should definitely change that avatar from Snake to Tz. Cause, you know, you're seriously starting to sound like a moon-eyed fanboi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Ahh, imperials that don't want to lose even if they already lost. Their tears taste so good. EDIT : Tzeentch doesn't have a neck. So I'll keep Snake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Alright, keep it nice and civil, people. Personally I still feel that the Sensei and the Numen will be more than enough match for the forces of Chaos... it'll just be waiting the long watch for the opportune moment ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 The sensei are cool because of the craziness of the illuminati ! The Grey sensei are cool because of their free will. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3088854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 "Hey, I should use a mind ward !" T knows it.You can't beat him. So what if he knows it? He can't stop it. He might (frankly, methinks the whole description is way overblown) know I might use a ward (maybe), but he doesn't know what I will think or do after the ward is in palce, because not even I know yet what will I think off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254105-grey-knights/page/5/#findComment-3089242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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