WyrdWolf Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 So after finding some killer deals on some terminators I've decided that i'm going to run a loganwing for the next tournament at the shop i usually play at. I'm thinking mostly frostblade spam with either missile launchers or AC on every fifth model. It's 1776 points btw. The thing I'm trying to decide is whether to take CML's or Assault Cannons. I was leaning towards the missile launchers, mainly because it lets me not worry about taking long fangs and leaves room for more terminators. The way i figured it was I get to add a cyclone missile launcher to a terminator for 30 points, it gets 2 shots per turn. for 25 points a long fang only gets 1 shot. The only thing is the one assault cannon terminator i usually bring just seems to be lucky (causing mephistons storm raven to crash into a firey heap after boosting). So I'm looking for help from my fellow wolf brothers. On a side note, i was thinking of making a Wolf Blade themed wolf guard unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 always CWL . AC suck in the 5th with the rending nerf and being unable to take 1 per 3 models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3085805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 So after finding some killer deals on some terminators I've decided that i'm going to run a loganwing for the next tournament at the shop i usually play at. I'm thinking mostly frostblade spam with either missile launchers or AC on every fifth model. It's 1776 points btw. The thing I'm trying to decide is whether to take CML's or Assault Cannons. I was leaning towards the missile launchers, mainly because it lets me not worry about taking long fangs and leaves room for more terminators. The way i figured it was I get to add a cyclone missile launcher to a terminator for 30 points, it gets 2 shots per turn. for 25 points a long fang only gets 1 shot. The only thing is the one assault cannon terminator i usually bring just seems to be lucky (causing mephistons storm raven to crash into a firey heap after boosting). So I'm looking for help from my fellow wolf brothers. On a side note, i was thinking of making a Wolf Blade themed wolf guard unit. Well, don't forget that CML is not only 2 krak missiles. If necessary, it puts down two small blasts of frags as well, so in my opinion CML is more versatile. In addition, You can shoot a stormbolter with CML, whereas with AC you don't have one (it is replaced by AC). jeske is straighforward as usually, but let's not forget that these are the final days of 5th edition and we don't know yet the AC/rending rules in 6th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3085809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 AC is good in some cases that CML is not. CML is good in ways that AC is not. they both have their places. if you are taking pod units, put AC in those, if you are foot slog all the way, CML. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3085875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 You will get more mileage out of the CML these days. As CTH said, though, we are in the twilight time of 5th, and how rending works in 6th will be of particular interest, especially once we see how "stand and shoot" works with our units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3085879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 So, I think the real answer to your question now is, magnetize. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3086051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyrdWolf Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 thanks for the replies everybody. I was leaning towards the CML's that just means I'll have to get a few more as I'll only have 4 CML terminators. I can't wait to see what's in store for 6th. Although I'm sad the space wolves don't have any access to the space marines flyer. how disgusting would that be with scouts coming off your opponents board edge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3086055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 As a long time (is that possible...??) Logan Wing player let me just regale this tidbit: CML are really good, but do not replace the fire power that a 140 point LF ML pack can. Lots of TDA is super sweet, and looks really cool/intimidating on the table, but they need fire support. You have quite a few high costing single wound models. Unless they flip the AC and the CML, my bet is that the CML still stays the boss heavy weapon. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3086178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 My advice? Don't make any 40k decisions in June. The corollary? Don't ask any questions about what decisions you should make in June, either. There you go. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3086821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think the rending rules now are just fine, some of my other friends don't agree because rending used to be really good in 4th. What they should do is allow us to take an AC for every 3 and then you can upgrade it to a CML for every 5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3086968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think that if you're rocking a TL AC then the rending is still really good since you have four rolls that can be re-rolled to hit that six. I didn't play in fourth, so I cannot comment on the rending ability, and it's goodness. The Assault Cannon is much easier bit to get a hold of, if that sways your decision at all. :) End of Line I think that if you're rocking a TL AC then the rending is still really good since you have four rolls that can be re-rolled to hit that six. I didn't play in fourth, so I cannot comment on the rending ability, and it's goodness. The Assault Cannon is much easier bit to get a hold of, if that sways your decision at all. :) End of Line Edit: Is it my new laptop that keeps :cussing up lately, or has anybody else noticed weird things like the above and a lot of double posts??!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3087035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Edit: Is it my new laptop that keeps :cussing up lately, or has anybody else noticed weird things like the above and a lot of double posts??!! What kind of double posts? What kind of double posts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3087058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 But don't forget that the SW AC just looks plain sexy!!! And yes...hold of on the final decision until 6th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3087310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Why not just take both? As there can never be too much Dakka Dakka.... :wink: :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3087583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Because you only get one heavy upgrade for every five models. And the two weapons are drastically different. The assault cannon has a shorter range and is considered more of a dakka weapon, where as the missile launcher has a longer range and is able to provide decent anti infantry support AND anti vehicle/high AV. Personally, I only use the AC on packs that I pod down in front/side/behind of units I plan on annihilating right away, or in a Land Raider. It's a much better assault weapon due to it being twin-linked and rending. The CML offers up additional long range support for me. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3087912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Rhaps, WGT Assault Cannon are not twin-linked. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3088007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Rhaps, WGT Assault Cannon are not twin-linked. V Que scooby-doo voice* Ruh roh... :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3088160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 But don't forget that the SW AC just looks plain sexy!!! And yes...hold of on the final decision until 6th. I often include the AC WGTDA for this exact reason, the model looks boss. However the CML is more versatile, and can work at a short or long range. Will be interesting to see if they change up the AC/CML rules in 6th though, as said above, you may wanna wait and see what happens there before modelling. I recently finished magnetising my wolf guard, and would heavily suggest doing that, just cos of the sheer amounts of options you can take with them (and ill often sub one out to fill a TDA lone wolf role too) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3088340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 *In a gruff voice* "..and my assault cannon's would have been twin linked if it wasn't for you darn meddling kids"!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3089588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I agree with my Brother above. BOTH!!! Like it's a hard thing to realize. 10 Termies 2 Special and Arjac. Cause a strength 10 thunder hammer is cool. "Here monolith! Where are you Monolith? I got alittle somthing for you!' KABOOM!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254172-cml-or-ac/#findComment-3090074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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