nuclearship Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Is it only me or does it seem that all Imperator Titans available to the Mechancium were defected to the Traitors? I haven't heard of a single loyal Imperator Titan ever in the Loyalists side. Can anyone enlighten me if the opposite is true or has someone a explanation why all Imperator Titans sided with Horus or better, why only the weaker armed Titan Legions sided with the Emperor????? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 ...the Dark Side has cookies? :-) Honestly, I have no idea. Was there not an Imperator Titan in the Abnett book "Titanicus"? on the Loyalist side? (Though that is technically not the Horus Heresy...) Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Weren't remains of a loyal Imperator titan part of Winter Assault game? i think that the problem with so many Imperators siding with Traitors is that traitor Mechanicus were, in fact, not traitors to their cult. Fabricator-General sided with Horus, so de jure all of Mechanicus sided with Horus, and only those, who opposed him, stayed loyal to the Emperor. And i think the command of the most fearful Titans was handed to the most loyal (to Fabricator) men. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There was an Imperial Imperator in Helsreach, but that's waaay after the HH. :D Why does it matter? It's not like it'll affect the outcome of the war. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There was one in Mechanicum that got to tear a good chunk out of the Dark Mechanicus. But I think it died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfkry Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If i remember correctly somewhere there was a mention of a titan legion "Legio Sinister" and that the entire legio is made up of 5 imperator class titans and an Armageddon class if i remember correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There was one in Mechanicum that got to tear a good chunk out of the Dark Mechanicus. But I think it died. Deus Tempestus was a Warlord. The princeps set off their reactor trying to destroy the traitor Imperator Aquila Ignis. Deus pretty much owned until Aquila Ignis opened fire, then it was over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broker Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The head of the Adeptus Mechanicus turned to Chaos. Since it's likely he didn't turn on a whim, he probably had time to put men he definitely knew would turn with him into the most powerful Titans. Same way Mortarion put men he knew would turn in charge of the ships in the Flight Of The Eisenstein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thanks guys. I'm also interessted to know if there were offical accounts of Imperator Titans in the 40k. The one from Winter Assault are non-canon right? In Titanicus the enemy had the Imperator Titan if I remember correctly, so there was only the one in Helsreach? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If i remember correctly somewhere there was a mention of a titan legion "Legio Sinister" and that the entire legio is made up of 5 imperator class titans and an Armageddon class if i remember correctly. Legio Sinister consists of 12 Imperator titans, but it's unknown whether it is around during the heresy or founded later (to my knowledge it has only been referred to in 2nd edition fluff about Armageddon) The only Imperators I can recall in the Heresy that have been identified are the Aquila Ignis and Dies Irae both of Legio Mortis and traitor. Augmenautus Rex is described as 'it had once been an Imperator-class Titan' but that is in the Sabbat worlds(ie modern 40k era) and no indication of when it was created is given (Titanicus by Dan Abnett) they do appear to be used more as antagonists for the Imperium then at their disposal, and 'boss fights' specifically :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Deceit Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There are a few mentions in various Black Library books of Loyal titans, such as the Word Bearers. But the lions share did end up with Chaos, plus, the dark mechanicum didn't lose the ability to build new ones. (Read Grey Knights) So eventually the loyalists will run out of Imperitor class titans, but Chaos won't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There was one in Mechanicum that got to tear a good chunk out of the Dark Mechanicus. But I think it died. Deus Tempestus was a Warlord. The princeps set off their reactor trying to destroy the traitor Imperator Aquila Ignis. Deus pretty much owned until Aquila Ignis opened fire, then it was over. Okay, gotcha. I just vaguely remembered something open one Titan being destroyed and the Princeps having himself transferred to another Titan that had been "slumbering" or something other and there was something special about it. The head of the Adeptus Mechanicus turned to Chaos. Since it's likely he didn't turn on a whim, he probably had time to put men he definitely knew would turn with him into the most powerful Titans. Same way Mortarion put men he knew would turn in charge of the ships in the Flight Of The Eisenstein. Not exactly. Even in the Mechanicus, the Titan Legios seem to be a force unto themselves. At least if Mechanicum and Titanicus are anything to go on. They are the "Space Marines" of the Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3086838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broker Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 There are a few mentions in various Black Library books of Loyal titans, such as the Word Bearers. But the lions share did end up with Chaos, plus, the dark mechanicum didn't lose the ability to build new ones. (Read Grey Knights) So eventually the loyalists will run out of Imperitor class titans, but Chaos won't. Where is it stated that the Imperium can no longer create Imperator Titans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Damn. Someone beat me to the cookies joke already. Really shouldn`t leave the house^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I feel like loyalist Imperator Titans were around, we just haven't heard from they yet. This makes sense though, because we've only really seen one or two titan crews in the entire series(the Dies Irae and the ones in Mechanicum). I'm sure loyalist ones existed, and as we get closer to the siege of Terra in the series, we will probably hear some mention of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Thanks guys. I'm also interessted to know if there were offical accounts of Imperator Titans in the 40k. The one from Winter Assault are non-canon right? In Titanicus the enemy had the Imperator Titan if I remember correctly, so there was only the one in Helsreach? One named Chaos Imperator Titan Dies Irae in Storm of Iron. Plus a bunch of named Imperial Warlords, Reavers and Warhounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah the Imperium is definitely capable of creating Titans. It might take longer and construction might be restricted to one out of a few Forgeworlds, but it's definitely possible. In Dark Adeptus, a group of bewly converted Hereteks who found a daemon-possessed STC for a Castigator-class Titan, which was described as the "father of all Titans" and was big enough to make an Imperator look "small" and looked far more elegant than any Imperial Titan, but since the STC was corrupted, its physical construction might have been influenced by the daemon to small degree. But since they used an Imperial Titan Foundry that was already there to do it, it can easily be surmised that the Imperium does have the capability to manufacture Titans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yeah the Imperium is definitely capable of creating Titans. It might take longer and construction might be restricted to one out of a few Forgeworlds, but it's definitely possible. In Dark Adeptus, a group of bewly converted Hereteks who found a daemon-possessed STC for a Castigator-class Titan, which was described as the "father of all Titans" and was big enough to make an Imperator look "small" and looked far more elegant than any Imperial Titan, but since the STC was corrupted, its physical construction might have been influenced by the daemon to small degree. But since they used an Imperial Titan Foundry that was already there to do it, it can easily be surmised that the Imperium does have the capability to manufacture Titans. I believe what he means was, the Imperium lost the ability to make Imperator class Titans. If only 1 or 2 planets make them and Chaos destroys or captures the planet then the Imperium can't make them anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Based on the fluff I have read AlLL Forge world can make Titans and maintain at least 1 Titan Legion for their own deffence. That said in the 41st melenium the processes and rituals requiered to manufacture an god mechine the size of an Imperator Titan might well take centuries to accomplish. With that in mind their just arn't that many floting around these days and each one is a holy relic of bygone days reviered and only unleashed on the Emperors foes at time of the utmost need and peril. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3087976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Is it just me or are there actually more mentions of Titan battles with an Imperator involved than there are without? Heck, even those Imperial Fist scout brats from the Space Marine novel got to ride one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Can anyone point to a Novel were the loyal Emperors are mentioned? I too read somewhere that the Imperator Titans cannot be built anymore and therefore they are the holy reliques they are...but can't remember were this was. Regarding Mechanicum, I always thought it was strange that the best Titan the loyalist could muster was an old Warlord, while the Legio Mortis has another Imperator at hand, while one was alreay out with Horus legion....So no Imperator Titans for Tempestus and at least two for Mortis? That's really not fair.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 So no Imperator Titans for Tempestus and at least two for Mortis? That's really not fair.... Ah... a shot of grimdark straight to the heart. I like to think that Imperators are probably still capable of being produced... just not very often at all, like 1 every half millennium? Otherwise they probably would have long attrited away, judging by the death rate they suffer in the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 They don't make reaver titans anymore do they? Does anyone know why? Is it because the Warlord is a better battle titan? Have they just lost the ability? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 They don't make reaver titans anymore do they? Does anyone know why? Is it because the Warlord is a better battle titan?Have they just lost the ability? Where did you read that? Afaik the Imperium can still make Reavers just fine. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Regarding the lack of presence of Imperators on Mars during the Martian Civil War, I think the best way to explain it would be some of the ingenious manuevering of valuable forces away from places of import until those places could be secured. Such as the loyal Titan Legios being strangely absent in the series so far except to become cannon fodder. Much like many of the Loyalist battles. Or it could simply be following the fluff rules of "This is the Heresy and the Heretics are supposed to win until they lose at Terra." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/#findComment-3088169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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