Hellios Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 They don't make reaver titans anymore do they? Does anyone know why? Is it because the Warlord is a better battle titan?Have they just lost the ability? Where did you read that? Afaik the Imperium can still make Reavers just fine. :unsure: I'm not certain that they can't (That is why I asked.). I am however sure that they are not as common as warlords despite being smaller and being an older design (I think the reaver is older.) I also think I've read that they are becoming less common. So I was trying to find out why this is so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Fair enough. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Just finished Gray Hunter and their was a loyal Imperator mention as part of the Titan Legion present on Garm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Deceit Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 While the Imperium can still build the other titans, the ability to create new Imperitor Titans is lost tech. However, that does not mean they can't repair them. A lot of those titans that get waxed most likely get recovered and rebuilt as best as possible. They are just too valuable to leave behind. You never read about it because it doesn't have any bearing on the story usually, and how interesting could a writer actually make a repair operation anyways? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleax Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Is it only me or does it seem that all Imperator Titans available to the Mechancium were defected to the Traitors? I haven't heard of a single loyal Imperator Titan ever in the Loyalists side. Can anyone enlighten me if the opposite is true or has someone a explanation why all Imperator Titans sided with Horus or better, why only the weaker armed Titan Legions sided with the Emperor????? Because the Imperator Titan didn't exist at the time of the Adeptus Titanicus codex back in the 90's! Hmm not funny at all. :D Seriously though, I think I recall that Traitor Chapters even got all Titan Legions when they invaded Terra. (because they invaded Mars first, or something like that) Don't quote me on that though. Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Also, as said before, Horus did plan the Heresy and the positions of the loyalist forces. It would make sense that he would have the powerful titans far away like the powerful legions. Though I don't see why they wouldn't have one or two at Terra. You would think Dorn would have tried getting some of those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I can remember a few Imperator Titans from BL Dies Irae: appears in a few HH novels and storm of iron where it dies Aquilia Ignis: appears in mechanius where it dies Augmenautus Rex: in Titanicus where it dies name not remebered: from the first word bearers novel where it dies name not remebered: from Helsreach where it dies Turns out it is a bad thing to be an Imperator Titan in any BL novel, they have shorter lives than Avatars of Khaine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Is it just me or are there actually more mentions of Titan battles with an Imperator involved than there are without? Heck, even those Imperial Fist scout brats from the Space Marine novel got to ride one. "I'd like to put something cool, cooler than a dreadnought, you know. - Maybe a cool Titan, Warhounds are cool, Metal Gear Solid and stuff. - Cool, indeed, but what is cooler than a Warhound ? Because you know, I want something really cool. - I know what you're talking about. Reaver titan is the way to go buddy. - Reaver ? Yes, it's nice... But not cool enough. I mean, I want people to understand that my stuff is cool to the max. - Imperator ? - Definitely Imperator." In the grim darkness of a far future, there are only Imperator class titans. EDIT : has the STC for the Castigator class been destroyed by Grey Knights ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3088956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 I can remember a few Imperator Titans from BL Dies Irae: appears in a few HH novels and storm of iron where it dies Aquilia Ignis: appears in mechanius where it dies Augmenautus Rex: in Titanicus where it dies name not remebered: from the first word bearers novel where it dies name not remebered: from Helsreach where it dies Turns out it is a bad thing to be an Imperator Titan in any BL novel, they have shorter lives than Avatars of Khaine Grrrrrrrrrreat. Thank you very much. All of them Traitors I suppose. Besides Helsreach as it was a battle against Orks.... I only know the fate of the first two, can you describe how the others died? The other two had cool and plausible deaths I think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3091125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Reaver and Warhound titans predate all of the other titans, as they were in manufacture during the Golden Age of Technology (ce 20k). Old fluff points to Warlord titans being created during the Unification of Terra, and were used by the Techno-Barbarian hordes to good effect in laying siege to hive-cities during those conflicts as well as being used against each other in the open field. Emperor titans date back to the Grand Crusade, and as such are the newest of the titan classes. Knight titans, as a side note, were originally a new-er design that dates back to pre-crusades yet post Age of Technology. Also mentioned in older fluff is that Reavers were no longer in production due to Warlords filling the same roll while being more powerful ("battleships being replaced with dreadnoughts" as a wet-navy reference). Per Dark Mechanicus, Knight titans war being dropped from production much as Reavers were, as Warhound titans fit the same roll yet were more powerful over all. This leads to the follow conclusions, from oldest to newest: Reavers (once common, few are still produced in the current setting) Warhounds (still common, still produced) Knights (use to be common, superseded by Warhounds) Warlords (very recent design, very common) Emperors (most recent design, very rare) Things to note: Dark Mechanium still produces Warlords (new: Banelords of Khorne, old: Heresy-era or recently turned traitors), Knights (Subjugators of Slaanesh), yet no new Emperors (all mentioned ones date back to the Heresy), no new Reavers (seem to be corrupted Heresy-era or recently turned traitor), and no new Warhounds (seem to be corrupted Heresy-era or recently turned traitor), Seems like the Dark Mechanicum can only manufacture Banelords and Subjugators, while they let their Heresy-era Traitor Legions rot. The Imperium, on the other hand, has focused of manufacturing only Warhounds and Warlords (both at a snail’s pace). SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3091284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearship Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yeah, finally the Loyalist got a functional Imperator Titan, a Warmonger was on the side of the loyalist on Calth during the Honour the Dead Novella from the Games Day Germany :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 If you name an Imperator in any novel, it will die. Another trope I want to subvert and/or counteract. I think the Dies Irae is the only exception, so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabba hey Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 There was one in Mechanicum that got to tear a good chunk out of the Dark Mechanicus. But I think it died. That quote did end up being printed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) It doesn't, but please post spoilers to books blacked out, so it doesn't ruin turn of events like that for everyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) It doesn't, but please post spoilers to books blacked out, so it doesn't ruin turn of events like that for everyone. Darth Vader is Luke's father. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Darth Vader is Luke's father. :lol: D: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) I know it eventually dies. it's the exception to the rule in that it's in a lot of books without dying, though. Usually, when you name an Imperator in a novel, it dies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) I know it eventually dies. it's the exception to the rule in that it's in a lot of books without dying, though. Usually, when you name an Imperator in a novel, it dies. You mean like StormHerald I for one would love to see this occurrence changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) I know it eventually dies. it's the exception to the rule in that it's in a lot of books without dying, though. Usually, when you name an Imperator in a novel, it dies. You mean like StormHerald I for one would love to see this occurrence changed. Yep! Already been mentioned, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think the reason is because if it doesn't die, then whatever side has it wins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think the reason is because if it doesn't die, then whatever side has it wins. Get your realistic and logical debate away from this debate. It's a matter for hyperbole and recrimination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 It doesn't, but please post spoilers to books blacked out, so it doesn't ruin turn of events like that for everyone. The Emperor fights Horus at Terra. They both die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3186979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 nope. the dies irae dies in a grand siege against a loyalist fortress. I do believe its in the first book of the iron warriors.. (either that or the first book about the wordbearers? some big siege anyway) It doesn't, but please post spoilers to books blacked out, so it doesn't ruin turn of events like that for everyone. No, the Dies Irae does die at Hydra Cordatus in Storm of Iron. It's reactor goes nuclear and everything. I actually cannot think of an Imperator that has lived beyond one novel. Except the Dies Irae because it had a Heresy spotlight in False Gods and Galaxy in Flames. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3187017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think the reason is because if it doesn't die, then whatever side has it wins. Get your realistic and logical debate away from this debate. It's a matter for hyperbole and recrimination. Internet Warriors never retreat, never surrender. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aXKVMp4dYhg/Ta9-ghvpLbI/AAAAAAAAAHw/BgWqrUw5UoM/s1600/warrior888888.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254200-traitors-got-all-the-imperator-titans/page/2/#findComment-3187063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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