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[kemd12812baby]

so the direction that I have decided to go with the wolves was to use the ones from WHFB Orcs and Goblins. I did not really like any of the other options that people sent me to. even when the wolves did come out they just a little to week to me. Only one real connection point to the base. I went with the WHFB wolves because that have the two rails that set down into the base. They do have the square base. The question would be how much of a hard spot would people put me in because it does not have a round base?

[Wulfebane]

Fun, friendly games.. none. More competative games, likely quite a bit, now that the base size has been established via actually fen wolf models. If they were a purely ranged unit, it might make little difference, but a pure melee unit, base size/structure can mean a lot.

 

Also, the goblin mounts are hideous.

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

Also, the goblin mounts are hideous.

 

QFT!!

 

I would also think that since the official base size and shape has been set you may run into players complaining about your proposed idea. You could always cut the rail off of the feet and pin them to a round base instead.

 

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[Tybrus]

40k has always allowed you to model anything you like so long as it is "AT LEAST" the size it should be. You are free to give it bigger so long as you are not molding for advantage.

[dswanick]

I've used Fantasy wolves as Fen.Wolves for years - with no complaints.

[Wulfebane]

I've used Fantasy wolves as Fen.Wolves for years - with no complaints.

 

 

.... because until a few months ago, legitimate fen wolf models didn't exist. Now they do. Regardless, it isn't the model that is a potential issue, its the base.

 

Referring to Tybrus's comment, I disagree. Say you take Canis and instead of his standardized base, you put him on a dreadknight/flyer base (per Tybrus, so long as it's bigger, no?) Just because you felt like making an epic diorama of strewn corpses. Despite your innocent intentions, you will most definitely get more attacks when charging a horde of models, due to the wrath of savage rule. This is the most blatant abuse of base sizing, but there's a myriad of things people conjuring up to get away with this sort of abuse.

 

Long story short, if you go with goblin mounts, just order some 40mm round bases along with them to save on future headaches.

[Vor]

I've used Fantasy wolves as Fen.Wolves for years - with no complaints.

 

 

.... because until a few months ago, legitimate fen wolf models didn't exist. Now they do. Regardless, it isn't the model that is a potential issue, its the base.

 

Referring to Tybrus's comment, I disagree. Say you take Canis and instead of his standardized base, you put him on a dreadknight/flyer base (per Tybrus, so long as it's bigger, no?) Just because you felt like making an epic diorama of strewn corpses. Despite your innocent intentions, you will most definitely get more attacks when charging a horde of models, due to the wrath of savage rule. This is the most blatant abuse of base sizing, but there's a myriad of things people conjuring up to get away with this sort of abuse.

 

Long story short, if you go with goblin mounts, just order some 40mm round bases along with them to save on future headaches.

 

Though in Canis' case I'm fairly sure it actually says in his rules not to even try mounting him on a larger base.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I have 20 fantasy goblin wolf riders, painted and based on cav bases, for the last 10 years.

 

if some fool insists i purchase the newer models or update my bases on all 20 of them, i shall insist they model frag/krak grenades, bolt pistols, bolter and close combat weapon on every space wolf or not receive the benefit they grant.

 

seems fair, if they want to dick me over the wolves not being on the new, more expensive bases, then i will dick them over on their models.

 

and after i argue my point, probably pissing off both of us and easily ruining the game, i'll pack up and walk away from the table regardless of the outcome. they have wasted my time, so i'll be happy to waste their time.

 

WLK

[MeatGrinder]

I have 20 fantasy goblin wolf riders, painted and based on cav bases, for the last 10 years.

 

if some fool insists i purchase the newer models or update my bases on all 20 of them, i shall insist they model frag/krak grenades, bolt pistols, bolter and close combat weapon on every space wolf or not receive the benefit they grant.

 

seems fair, if they want to dick me over the wolves not being on the new, more expensive bases, then i will dick them over on their models.

 

and after i argue my point, probably pissing off both of us and easily ruining the game, i'll pack up and walk away from the table regardless of the outcome. they have wasted my time, so i'll be happy to waste their time.

 

WLK

 

This man speaks the truth. Only the dickiest of dicks are going to call you on not having larger bases. I have yet to see a situation where the differance between base sizes on my Fwolves has cost someone the game. Or had any impact for that matter.

[Wulfebane]

With the smaller, square bases, you can potentially get more wolves into melee, especially when occuring in bottlenecks. Someone could easily claim shenanigans for that.

 

As for the frag/krak issue, it's an established "standard load out" WYSIWYG exception, whereas bases/counts-as models have been an exception if and when an actual GW model did not exist. Prior to 2012, WLK's wolves would fall in that category, but now, it could easily be a toss up and will likely increase in frequency as time goes on.

 

For the record, I personally wouldn't care, just playing devil's advocate.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

With the smaller, square bases, you can potentially get more wolves into melee, especially when occuring in bottlenecks. Someone could easily claim shenanigans for that.

 

As for the frag/krak issue, it's an established "standard load out" WYSIWYG exception, whereas bases/counts-as models have been an exception if and when an actual GW model did not exist. Prior to 2012, WLK's wolves would fall in that category, but now, it could easily be a toss up and will likely increase in frequency as time goes on.

 

For the record, I personally wouldn't care, just playing devil's advocate.

 

Nitpicking goes both ways. (sides, why would i want more t4 6+save models in CC? thats pathetic use of them.)

 

i dont even field them anymore, they arent worth it.

 

WLK

[Iacton Qruze]

With the smaller, square bases, you can potentially get more wolves into melee, especially when occuring in bottlenecks. Someone could easily claim shenanigans for that.

 

As for the frag/krak issue, it's an established "standard load out" WYSIWYG exception, whereas bases/counts-as models have been an exception if and when an actual GW model did not exist. Prior to 2012, WLK's wolves would fall in that category, but now, it could easily be a toss up and will likely increase in frequency as time goes on.

 

For the record, I personally wouldn't care, just playing devil's advocate.

 

If someone actually gets you into a position where the width of the base is an issue for getting models into combat, just turn the front wolves 90 degrees to determine how many can fit in btb. keep the back ones as they are to determine distance for contributing attacks. Check with the TO before you put them in your tournament lists if you don't want to rebase them. If anyone cries about it, just keep playing as if they didn't say a word.

[shortysl]

Comments about base sizes are sadly pretty accurate. I've got a Master of the Deathwing model that is mounted on a Sentinel base rather than the 40mm Terminator base and I've been pulled on it more than once, and it's not even like Belial's any good in a fight!

 

If you want to try it, knock yourself out. Just be prepared for those people who are going to have a problem with it, because they've nothing better to do.

[Vor]

Comments about base sizes are sadly pretty accurate. I've got a Master of the Deathwing model that is mounted on a Sentinel base rather than the 40mm Terminator base and I've been pulled on it more than once, and it's not even like Belial's any good in a fight!

 

If you want to try it, knock yourself out. Just be prepared for those people who are going to have a problem with it, because they've nothing better to do.

 

Surely that's a disadvantage more than an advantage? More guys can attack him, while he'll only have the same (3?) attacks?

[CainTheHunter]

I am more concerned that my nice bases will be ruined after I re-base them on 40mm round-ones.

Nothing extremely cool in terms of paintjob, but things may suffer when I chain-saw him off his cavalry base...

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

...well amybe you shouldn't use a chain saw to remove him then Cain. ;)

 

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[CainTheHunter]

...well amybe you shouldn't use a chain saw to remove him then Cain. ;)

 

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Well, that was a really strange suggestion to be heard from a person with World Eaters avatar owning World Eaters army. And besides that is a wolfy way to separate models and bases, isn't it? ;)

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

It's fine for the World Eaters Cain, but the Sons of Fenris??

 

I think you should bludgeon it off with a beer stein.

 

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