Torvak Kyre Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Hey brothers. I was reading The Primarchs and whilst reading Feat of Iron and when Ferrus is walking through the cavern or what ever it is, i'm not to sure, it says about a statue that has no head and is pointing at Ferrus and accusing. Ferrus then says to the statue 'It was not me that cut your head, Brother'. It says nothing of any other statues of that I can see. Later on he walks into a room where there were more statues with their fingers laced in the sign of the aquila. There was one that ' had a scalp of thrashing serpents like the gorgon of ancient Mykenaean myth'. This could be Ferrus himself. 'Another had the skeletal aspect of death itself, hooded and gripping a scythe that cut into its boney brow' - Mortarion. 'The visage o a third was split in half like Janus of old Romanii legend. Two masks not one gazed at the primarch. But it was a mistake to think of Janus as only having two faces, for he had many'. - Alpharius and Omegon? 'Ferrus saw an effigy of a bestial and snarling hound, and felt his anger rise as he walked past it' - Russ or Angron? 'Behind it was a stoic drake, it's crest a living flame' - Vulkan 'Leathern wings unfolded from the back of one statue. It's chiropteran mask was hard to discern from it's human face, suggesting a singular lack of humanity'- Sanguinius' 'There were others: a horse with a wild flowing mane (Khan), a bird of prey (Corax), a noble human countenance crowned by a laurel wreath (Horus or Guilliman), a lion beneath a monks cowl (Lion El'Jonson).' 'One, the last, stood across the stairway and glared down at him, and he looked up to regard it. Unlike the others, this one had its arms outstretched as if in invitation to embrace him. It wore robes, but they were finer, more ostentatious in the mason's design. His mask was beautifull, almost perfect if not for the angular eye slits and the scalloping of the faux cheek bones' - The book states that this is Fulgrim The processional was compromised of twenty statues in all but there were two he did not recognise their masks scratched and near obliterated. Now I know I have rambled on for a while but do you think that the statue he saw first was the II or XI primarch and the two in the bigger 'room' were the II and XI. This suggests that one of the lost primarchs was beheaded from one of the other primarchs - possibly Russ - and that he may no have known the lost primarchs and they were expunged before he was found. Or that the faces were too damaged to tell. What do you guys think. And again sorry for rambling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I always thought that the beheaded statue was a forboding of the events to come in the Gorgan's life. EDIT: I think they missed a chance here. They could have made several/many/all of the statues true identiy obscure and give details of all twenty, That would of had us guessing for months. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3088832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarSpirit Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I felt that the first statue was a glimpse at Ferrus future, kind of saying "That is what will happen to you if you don't listen to our warning" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3088844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawhis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 'Leathern wings unfolded from the back of one statue. It's chiropteran mask was hard to discern from it's human face, suggesting a singular lack of humanity'- Sanguinius' Chiropteran means relating to Bats. This one is the Night Haunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3088932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 I felt that the first statue was a glimpse at Ferrus future, kind of saying "That is what will happen to you if you don't listen to our warning" Oh I get what you are saying here. Much better then what I thought. 'Leathern wings unfolded from the back of one statue. It's chiropteran mask was hard to discern from it's human face, suggesting a singular lack of humanity'- Sanguinius' Chiropteran means relating to Bats. This one is the Night Haunter. Oh ok. My mistake. Sorry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3089142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 just read this-what do you guys make of it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3089416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurph Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The OP left out two statues. ''A heraldric Knight stood along side its much darker twin, one with a shield, the other a mace'' Who the hell are they ment to be? Dorn and Perturabo? The rest where rather dissapointly obvious bar these two and through the process of elimination these must be obvious too. At first I had thought one might have been The Lion but reading futher thats not the case. So ya, like Supoosed said, would of been nice if they all required a bit of decoding. What I really want to know is, who is the Eldar Diviner refering to at the very end? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3129971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Of Dorn Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Before we look at the last two statues, we can start by eliminating the primarchs already mentioned Mortation Alpharius & Omegon Vulkan Ferrus Cruze Khan Corax Lion Fulgim Russ/Angron? Horus/Guilliman? That leaves Perturabo Dorn Sanguinius Magnus Lorgar And two i am not sure about Russ/Angron? Horus/Guilliman? And as the quote says "A heraldric Knight stood along side its much darker twin, one with a shield, the other a mace'' I think we can eliminate Magnus(not a knight) and Sanguinius(No wings on statue) Of the ones left Perturabo Dorn Lorgar Russ/Angron? Horus/Guilliman? Only Dorn and Perturabo would i say could symbolize the two knights The Loyal (Light) Defender (Shield) and the Betrayer (Dark) attacker (Mace) That is who i believe that the symbolize. My only problem is that Perturabo "signature" weapon is a hammer (Forgebreaker) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3130901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalos Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 ^ Maybe the mace is Horus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3130976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Any one consider Alpharius and Omegron? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3130979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Any one consider Alpharius and Omegron? I guess that would make the Janus statue Lorgar, masking his true intent from the Imperium and using Horus as his cat's paw. Disciple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3131037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Any one consider Alpharius and Omegron? Makes sense, one with the Shield protecting their Legion from Chaos, the other with the Mace wanting to use it. Also, I want to know what the Xeno meant by "there is another who will listen, one who is lost". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3131059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The Janus statue is Alpharius/Omegon, and the two knights are Dorn and Perturabo, Perturabo's signature weapon wasn't Forgebreaker until after Manus was killed. Snake head - Manus Death - Mortarion Janus - Alpharius/Omegon Snarling hound - Angron Drake - Vulkan Good knight - Dorn Dark knight - Perturabo Leather wings - Night Haunter Horse - Khan Bird of prey - Corax Noble human - RG Lion - Lion Beautiful statue - Fulgrim Scratched faces 1+2 - Primarch II and XI So they left out precise descriptions of Horus, Russ, Lorgar, Magnus and Sanguinius, but it does say there were more statues that weren't described. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3131373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamb Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 'Leathern wings unfolded from the back of one statue. It's chiropteran mask was hard to discern from it's human face, suggesting a singular lack of humanity'- Sanguinius' Chiropteran means relating to Bats. This one is the Night Haunter. there's also the leather wings and lack of humanity. My only problem is that Perturabo "signature" weapon is a hammer (Forgebreaker) Not until after Ferrus Manus dies, at least the forgebreaker part the two knights would be dorn (builds the walls) & Perturabo (breaks them down) as student of dorn mentioned above Janus can only describe the twins. the Hound would be Angron, for it being a hound not a wolf (the world eaters used to be called the war hounds) and making Ferrus angry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3132619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Any one consider Alpharius and Omegron? Makes sense, one with the Shield protecting their Legion from Chaos, the other with the Mace wanting to use it. Also, I want to know what the Xeno meant by "there is another who will listen, one who is lost". Want to bet that Luther? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3133964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReverend Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Also, I want to know what the Xeno meant by "there is another who will listen, one who is lost". Isn't this story set before Legion? Therefore "one who was lost" will be Alpharius/Omegon, seeing as they are one soul in two bodies and the last Primarchs to be found. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3134046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Or it might've been Fulgrim...the Eldar did talk to him, thinking he would be more 'malleble'. Of course, we saw how well that worked out... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3134098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Also, I want to know what the Xeno meant by "there is another who will listen, one who is lost". Although, this might make people upset that what I will be saying is off or just insane. My guess would probably be Magnus that the Xeno was talking about. To me this kind of makes sense, 1) He did listen to the big E at the meeting of the council of Nikea to kind of abolish or stop the use of psykers. So that could refer to the quote of "There is another who will listen" part 2) he was 'lost' as to what to do locking himself up in his room. These are not very great example to help justified the quote but I hope it helps. however, this is one heck of a tricky quote to see who is the primarch of this but at the same time it could be one of their most trusted advisor. For example: if it refers to that of the Thousand Sons, the 'one who will listen' could refer to Magnus the Red while the 'one who is lost' could refer to Ahriman, since he... Okay, Nevermind, I have no clue as to who this quote is referring to. :yes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3135650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 From what I understand the one who will listen is the one who is lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254326-feat-of-iron/#findComment-3136636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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