Wulfebane Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 With the arrival of 6E in a couple of weeks, one of the traits from 2E is being brought back and potentially revamped.. that being 'Allies'. In 2E, you simply picked from a list of codexes and it factored into your FOC alottment. This time, however, they supposedly get their own mini-FOC in conjunction with our own. My question is, has anyone heard/seen what ally selection SWs will get, and/or given the option, what other army would you consider a brother-in-arms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Custodes(GK c/a?) ,IG,Eldar. Custodes since Prospero IG allies with all in the Imperium Eldar since they ally with anyone(except DE and Chaos) when it suits there needs IG would be sweet since they could be used as cannon fodder er i mean first wave ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'm hoping for BA myself. Would love to run a squad of 13th co. wulfen (death company) and sanguinary priests modeled as skjalds. dunno what's I'd do for my HQ, as they're so much less flavorful, maybe a Reclusiarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 From how I understand there will be an allies chart showing how much each faction trusts any other and that determines what FOC choices and how many you can have access too. Thus I imagine Space Wolves will have a trusted relationship with other Space Marines and Imperial Guard, a suspicious trust of say Tau or Eldar, great distrust with Necron or Dark Eldar and total animosity towards Daemons or Chaos Space Marines. How that will work out yet I'm not at all sure but it could lead to some interesting combinations and some very story driven missions. For instance a mission where your Space Wolves are holding out against a horde of Tyranids when from reserves you have a strike force of Eldar appear to lend a hand. At the very least I can see the ability to mix various armies in a players collection like Apocalypse but not quite as large scale, and that's cool. I also hear there will now be a Fortifications FOC slot to allow any army to take bastions, landing pads and so forth, so within a single legal FOC you could construct your own cool scenario. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Ya, take a look at the last page of this. As far as allies go, the idea is cool, but I probably won't be using it much, if at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 From how I understand there will be an allies chart showing how much each faction trusts any other and that determines what FOC choices and how many you can have access too. Thus I imagine Space Wolves will have a trusted relationship with other Space Marines and Imperial Guard, a suspicious trust of say Tau or Eldar, great distrust with Necron or Dark Eldar and total animosity towards Daemons or Chaos Space Marines. How that will work out yet I'm not at all sure but it could lead to some interesting combinations and some very story driven missions. For instance a mission where your Space Wolves are holding out against a horde of Tyranids when from reserves you have a strike force of Eldar appear to lend a hand. At the very least I can see the ability to mix various armies in a players collection like Apocalypse but not quite as large scale, and that's cool. I also hear there will now be a Fortifications FOC slot to allow any army to take bastions, landing pads and so forth, so within a single legal FOC you could construct your own cool scenario. I actually think that most Marine - Marine will be suspicious allies purely the nature of how Prideful most Chapters are. SW + DA SHOULD be either Suspicious or Great Distrust. only armies i can see SW happily working beside are Guard, SoB, Grey hunters ( maybe? ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 With more Space Wolves than I can ever use (outside of Apocalypse), I won't be using any allies. Not much point in bringing in outsiders when I got so many perfectly capable Sons of Russ to do the job. The same sentiment applies to my other three armies; I'd rather stick with what I've already got at my fingertips. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Deceit Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Space wolfs with Blood angels? That much gentic instability in one place can't end well. I like the idea of Guard aux. attached to my Angels, they have so much heavy firepower at their disposal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hey we could actually use Leman Russ battle tanks in normal games :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Probably not effective but I love the thought of a bike army full of white scars and SWs. (and some WS storm talons). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Deceit Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 You may be on to something there... I do see a lot of guard getting attached to marine armies, it's such a classic fit, and point for point guardsmen are more economical anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Rags, that would be all I've dreamed of. As long as we get a Stormraven, I'm happy. I've spent so long working on my Space Wolf Stormraven that it would be extremely painful not to be able to use for another edition. Plus it would be quite useful. Wolf guard attack squad of doom, combined with biker army escort. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milez Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 OK want broken? Ally black templar, get emperors champion and a squad of initiates in a rhino. Now take the vow where the entire army gets preferred emeny, and now you can reroll misses in CC AND shooting...... broke as f.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 OK want broken? Ally black templar, get emperors champion and a squad of initiates in a rhino. Now take the vow where the entire army gets preferred emeny, and now you can reroll misses in CC AND shooting...... broke as f.... i actually did some research to see what the vow actually has to say. It specially mentions 'all black templar units' and ' preferred enemy in close combat ' so no .. no other armies get the vow and no shooting preferred enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Leaning toward Grey Knights myself. Being allowed to take a squad of 5 tda troops with free halberds and grenades for 5pts more expensive than a pack of 5 tda WG elites with cml and only power weapons and no grenades... just awesome. And then I'd take a henchmen unit and paint them up as fenrisian kaerls and skjalds fresh from the bowels of The Fang, not to mention finally being allowed a chimera and some dreadnoughts that aren't elites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So my small almost forgotten IG Cadian contingent might finally see some action. Good news indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So my small almost forgotten IG Cadian contingent might finally see some action. Good news indeed! and would give me a chance to build some to go with my LRE that they removed from our dex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I see a huge opportunity for combined armies, like Ultramar PDF, Chapter Serfs, Space Wolf Bondsman and so on and so forth. I suddenly want to convert up a few squads of Catachans as Bondsman, give em beards and wolf pelt cloaks... yea, that's definitely going to be my next project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3090997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 All in all, ill be glad that they bring allies back, but will be interesting to see how it works. Think itd be awesome for certain scenarios too - especially if theyre bringing in stuff liek assasinate missions and terrain slots - drop podding in a load of grey hunters in order to save a besieged bastion containing an inquisitor and his SoB bodyguard sounds a treat :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Forget about Blood angels, get Black Templars as allies. Dual cyclone Terminators with tankhunter, Cheaper Predator Annihalators with extra armour. Large horde units in power armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'd invest in some Elysian units, wanted some air cavalry for a while but very expensive to get an army set up. Then again I go Forge World with my woofs too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drunk Guardian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm really interested in combining IG with Wolves... is there a particular regiment that the Wolves have traditionally worked with in the fluff? Or do they just reinforce whoever happens to be at a particular area the Wolves have interest in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm really interested in combining IG with Wolves... is there a particular regiment that the Wolves have traditionally worked with in the fluff? Or do they just reinforce whoever happens to be at a particular area the Wolves have interest in? In the First War for Armageddon SW allied with Armageddon PDF and Grey Knights. Also, IIRC during the 13th Black Crusade Logan Grimnar was selected as the supreme commander of all Imperials defending the Cadian Gate. But the status of 13th Black Crusade is not clear yet - according to the Codex:Eye of Terror and results of online campaign it ended with the Black Crusade being repelled (again) but of half of the Cadian sector going under Chaos control. Whereas current fluff and timeline states that the 13th Black Crusade is just beginning. Also Fenris does not have nor need its own PDF, so painting plastic cadians in Shadow Grey with black/yellow armor would not be the best idea ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Also Fenris does not have nor need its own PDF, so painting plastic cadians in Shadow Grey with black/yellow armor would not be the best idea ;) PDF means planetary defense forces, right? Fenris doesn't, but the Fang sure as hell does. Not to mention starship crews. At least, if you go by BotF or Prospero Burns fluff, which anyone using the term Vlka Fenryka does (which seems to be a lot lately). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilljoy Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Elysians, I've wanted to start an army of them for ages but the cost of buying a full 1.5k army really puts me off, the fact I can now build it up slowly and still use the models with my space wolves really appeals to me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254445-6th-edition-allies/#findComment-3091161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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