Gentlemanloser Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 I quite like the idea of one sided allies. Like a squad of GK 'bamph' in to assisst these blue skinned aliens face Chaos. But there's really no reason the GKs would ever aproach the blue skins for Aid. Well, maybe they don't want them to see thier NDK suits. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I can see Brother Rectus telling Shas'O Downcast-Smile: -Oh, yeah, sure, that jumping back thing is cool... Where's the close combat weapon? Oh, you've got none... Yeah, no, it's still cool. Tell me how it teleports? Oh... it doesn't. Yeah, cool... *shuffles feet a bit, akwardly, looking down...* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I want to try making an air cavalry GK/Inquisition force, so I may ally in some Elysian drop troops, shove some GKs in Storm Ravens and play Ride of the Valkyries very loudly when they come onto the board. Not enormously competitive, but fun. I was thinking the same thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 I can see Brother Rectus telling Shas'O Downcast-Smile: PMSL! :) In all seriousness, if the Tau turn out to be the rumoured anti-war race, I can quite easily see the GK allying with them. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cretheus Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 If the allies comer back im am just excited about putting penal legionnaires and actual storm troopers back in the lists something the GK list is really lacking fluffwise inquisitors will use anything and everything to get the job done, i really like the idea. Fuffwise though it looks like BT got a sucker punch allying with xenos, not a chance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Allies are back. Heck GW has even put information of who can ally with who on thier website. No need to rely on 'leaks' any more. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sanguinary Priests still have ATSKNF, don't they? Take 3 for one elite slot, attach them to 3 DCA units. DCA with FC, FNP *and* ATSKNF... Scary! :D Grey Knights are most likely aren't going to be Brothers in Arms with anyone, so you treat all the allies as 'enemies' you can't shoot or assault. So no intermingling of ICs or special rules. What I meant is that the GK page doesn't show Tau as allies, yet the Tau page shows GKs as allies... More pragmatic :D Phil But Space Marines are listed twice, so most likely just an error on the website. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selleck Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 NONE! My Knights fight alone, and do not need "help" from any Xenos or unclean! (and BTW the Allies idea is really bad, in my opinion!) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3094965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Grey Knights are most likely aren't going to be Brothers in Arms with anyone Are we sure the whole Brothers in arms/Unholy alliance stuff is in 6th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Aye, you can see it in the 6th edition preview, pause around the 1:27 timestamp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=b6as7LzpmAU Someone on Reddit with the rulebook (he had picture proof) said the allies matrix is the same as the GW doubles tournament a while back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 What I meant is that the GK page doesn't show Tau as allies, yet the Tau page shows GKs as allies... More pragmatic :cuss Phil I'd bet on "tech error" in the page. I suppose when we'll have the rulebook we'll see GK can take Tau as allies as well... it would be logical. Anyway In the official Trailer there is an image of the "allies section" of the rulebook and it mentioned "Allies of Convenience". I wonder whether the allies listed in the link provided are all "standard allies" or or some of them could be "allies of convenience"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Like I said in the post above you, the alliance matrix seems to be same as the one used in the recent official GW doubles tournament: http://i48.tinypic.com/nqqy9t.jpg Replace 'Grudging Allies' with 'Allies of convience' and 'Unholy Alliance' with 'Desperate Allies'. So we can ally with everything besides Chaos and Tyranids, but don't have any Brothers in Arms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 That's a little different to the ally informaiton up on the GW site, isn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Besides the Tau allies for GK (which is most likely an error due to the double Space Marine entries), what differences are there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Like I said in the post above you, the alliance matrix seems to be same as the one used in the recent official GW doubles tournament: http://i48.tinypic.com/nqqy9t.jpg Replace 'Grudging Allies' with 'Allies of convience' and 'Unholy Alliance' with 'Desperate Allies'. So we can ally with everything besides Chaos and Tyranids, but don't have any Brothers in Arms. What are the effects of the various "allience types"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Judging from the pictures in the video, it seems to be something like: Brothers in Arms: Not in the pictures, but probably a full alliance Allies of Convience: Can't benefit from Warlord traits, treat allied units as enemies you cannot attack/shoot or target with psychic powers and ICs cannot join units of ally. Desperate Allies: As above, but if allies come within 6" of each other, roll a dice to see if they ... (stop being allies? can't act that turn?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpenie1 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It's a little weird that eldar and dark eldar are brothers in arms? Rest of the matrix make mostly sense although does anyone know if having an ally hq is in addition to the parent lists 2 hq foc maximum?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Judging from the pictures in the video, it seems to be something like: Brothers in Arms: Not in the pictures, but probably a full alliance Allies of Convience: Can't benefit from Warlord traits, treat allied units as enemies you cannot attack/shoot or target with psychic powers and ICs cannot join units of ally. Desperate Allies: As above, but if allies come within 6" of each other, roll a dice to see if they ... (stop being allies? can't act that turn?) The Allience of Convience limitation make sense but the stop to be allies for Desperate Alliences seems unbalanced. What happen if the stop being allies? Your opponents take control of them giving them a huge free points advantage. Maybe they could inflict some damage/attack. Your "can't act that turn" sounds more logical than stop being allies, a little drastic but still acceptable. It shouldn't be a problem to keep more than 6" between each other. After all if you deploy a Desperate Allience is because you have a plan. Sending low-cost infantry models against your enemies front lines so they'll buy more time for your main assault with GK (Orks come at mind) or using some DE flyer to vex enemy units so you keep their attention away from your GK. I suppose desperate allies will be used for tactics like those. Mostly for diversion or to counter your army weakness. However I suppose a detatchement of IG vehicles (not desperate allies) would counter the greatest weakness of GK: range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Some people are saying they come out of your regular FOC slots, but you do get an extra chart worth of slots at 2k points and above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It's a little weird that eldar and dark eldar are brothers in arms? Rest of the matrix make mostly sense although does anyone know if having an ally hq is in addition to the parent lists 2 hq foc maximum?? Some people are saying they come out of your regular FOC slots, but you do get an extra chart worth of slots at 2k points and above. In fact on WD a player used two HQ choices for his Chaos Space Marins and 1 for his Chaos daemons allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpenie1 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 3 hq's !? Madness lol I'm sure there are some codices hq's this will break :s, also although I'm sure you won't be allowed to ally with ur own codex but that matrix says otherwise (or was it from a doubles tourney faq?) But 2 mephiston beasts anyone lol ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 No, can't ally with yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 3 hq's !? Madness lol I'm sure there are some codices hq's this will break :s, also although I'm sure you won't be allowed to ally with ur own codex but that matrix says otherwise (or was it from a doubles tourney faq?) But 2 mephiston beasts anyone lol ? No, can't ally with yourself. Beside Mephiston is an unique character, thus you can't have two of them anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 So GK, can't be brothers in arms with GK then. :P Shame, we don't get to be brothers in arms with anyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Why would the Inquisition want to be brothers in arms with anyone? They all need to be mind scrubbed or might be daemonically possessed anyway :P I'm not going to worry overly much about it, I imagine it will make a lot more sense when we can see the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254461-what-allies-will-you-take/page/3/#findComment-3095443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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