Kierdale Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I started a thread over in the Ultramarines forum discussing allies for the vanilla codex (thinking about units specifically) and the topic of Crusade-era allies came up - what with there being different species involved at the time - and I'd like to get others' thoughts on the topic. In the HH novels we see Astartes legions fighting alongside each other often enough (though not always getting along), and surely the IG codex could be used to represent forces from the Imperial Army and Fleet. Do you see Eldar as reasonable allies to take? Perhaps not a planned alliance but rather due to a common goal. No Necrons, Tau or Tyranids (not that they get to ally with anyone anyway!) in the galaxy. No Sisters, Grey Knights or Inquisition but could there be counts-as? Custodians, for one. If there were some way to wangle an assassin in, I'm sure that would be popular. Perhaps a Rogue Trader counting as an inquisitor, his retinue as henchmen? Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It would be a great way to field some Imperial Army (Guard). Appart from that I feel that the pre-heresy Imperium would be less inclined to allie with outside forces. It can happen during the 41st Millenium through necessity and desperation but during the great Crusade there wouldn't really be any need. If a Legion needs help they call on another legion or other Imperial forces. Times aren't as desperate. You could make an argument for allying with Eldar but only with some Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3094922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sisters of Battle as Sisters of Silence? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 For some of the harsher Legions, I'd probably use the Tyrants Legion list. Not only does it have IG and Astartes in the same list, but Astartes Commissars, and the IG being used as meatshields. I could see some small Necron forces (Trazyn was apparently already awake, and the Triarchs never went to sleep), or some Tau to represent a random minor xenos race. As for allies, I just can't really see any human/xenos allies occurring, unless they're really desperate. Remember, the Imperium is at the height of its xenophobia/xenocide, the Dark Eldar wouldn't ally with the mon'keigh, and the Craftworlders should still be too busy recovering from the Fall/creating the Path to be that active. Technically, Eldrad shouldn't even be on the Path of the Seer yet, let alone trapped on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I really would not use Xenos for allies. Like it has been said earlier, the Imperium is in its height, and on the offensive. In the 40k universe, it is on the defensive, and so it is more willing to work with others. +Edit+ But I think Eldar would be ok when fighting Orks. I can see them working together against certain foes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 unless you use them as 'counts-as' to represent a more exotic human force in the Imperial Army... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxinWolves Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 unless you use them as 'counts-as' to represent a more exotic human force in the Imperial Army... I could see Dark Eldar Wyches being used as Sisters of Silence. Necrons as Ad Mech. Orks as beastmen. Grey Knights as Custodians. The opportunities for making unique and characterful armies just expanded massively. Just needs a bit of imagination! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 unless you use them as 'counts-as' to represent a more exotic human force in the Imperial Army... Well I wasn't meaning rules. I was meaning actual Xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 For the sisters of silence I would use Death Cult Assassins, the sisters of silence didn't use power armor and bolters back then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 For the sisters of silence I would use Death Cult Assassins, the sisters of silence didn't use power armor and bolters back then. Are you sure about that? http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/d/df/Raven http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/01/wh40k-emperor.jpg Those ladies look to be wearing Sororitas-esque power armour to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Holy crap! Look at the side of their abdomens. They look like they can be broken with a thumb! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I call BS on that top picture, those aren't women. Those are as much women as women who use steroids are women. But on a more serious note, I'll have to re-read Flight of the Eisenstein. I could have sworn that they wore a bodyglove into combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I call BS on that top picture, those aren't women. Those are as much women as women who use steroids are women. Thats heavy powered plate, the women wearing it aren't that big. But on a more serious note, I'll have to re-read Flight of the Eisenstein. I could have sworn that they wore a bodyglove into combat. You might be thinking of the description of them wearing chainmail bodygloves under their plate (as Jenetia Krole and the Raptor Guard are in the second pic). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I call BS on that top picture, those aren't women. Those are as much women as women who use steroids are women. But on a more serious note, I'll have to re-read Flight of the Eisenstein. I could have sworn that they wore a bodyglove into combat. It is probably mission specific stuff. I can see them wearing both. Maybe they have some dedicated to wear the lighter stuff (like scouts), and some that wear the heavier stuff (like Astartes). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Flight of the Eisenstein page 47. Armor polished to glittering sheen, hawkish golden helmets, swords and flamers, and some carried bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3095994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradill Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 My great crusade fists will be fighting alongside the imperial army and their Adeptus mechanicus allies. They will be butchering everything else, because everything else is an abomination against the Emperor and the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3096502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Great Crusade era Imperium was willing to accept alien nations as vassal states, actually, so minor xenos forces would be acceptable. That said, the Imperium wasn't quite at the 'rabid mutant' degeneration phase yet. I don't recall any mention of Ogryns or Ratlings in the HH novels I've read. Trollzyn was definitely awake, but if you really can't take SCs as allies that puts a hold on that idea (unless it's just a vassal Lord of the Solemnace Archive). Gives you a reason to include some really high-tech stuff though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3097295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Great Crusade era Imperium was willing to accept alien nations as vassal states, actually, so minor xenos forces would be acceptable. That said, the Imperium wasn't quite at the 'rabid mutant' degeneration phase yet. I don't recall any mention of Ogryns or Ratlings in the HH novels I've read. Trollzyn was definitely awake, but if you really can't take SCs as allies that puts a hold on that idea (unless it's just a vassal Lord of the Solemnace Archive). Gives you a reason to include some really high-tech stuff though. What evidence do you have that they accepted alien vassal states? Everything I have seen still paints them to be xenophobic. +Edit+ But they are more willing to tolerate talking to them. The only example that *could* be used for this that I can think of is with the Interex. But the Interex were still humans, and Horus was trying to get them to come into the Imperium without blood shed. That does not mean the aliens with them would have been quite so lucky. However, because you did say vassal states, that still says that xenos are lower than humans, so maybe they would have. I just haven't really seen anything that says that they do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3097335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I think it's from the second book. They were in talks with an alien race that had some powerful stuff hidden in the mountains, and the Emperor sent Lorgar in to negotiate their surrender and inclusion in the Imperium, but they weren't playing ball. The whole place got exterminatus'd in the end, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3097339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 You were right, in battle they wear heavy chainmail and some armor. Maybe I was thinking of something else. I guess they don't like the latex as much as other parts of the imperium did. But I still don't think those in the first picture could be called women anymore, they scare the crap out of me more than my friends ugly looking ex did. And that is saying something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3097351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Well, you're being very offensive, dragon950, so you don't get to call yourself a man any more either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3097369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bane of Angels Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I would actually use Imperial Guard Conscripts or Inquisitional Henchmen for the Imperial Army, mainly because they weren't as organised or disciplined as the Imperial Guard and the latter would allow you to create some rather exotic units that might not pass the grade by guard standards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3103899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 You were right, in battle they wear heavy chainmail and some armor. Maybe I was thinking of something else. I guess they don't like the latex as much as other parts of the imperium did. But I still don't think those in the first picture could be called women anymore, they scare the crap out of me more than my friends ugly looking ex did. And that is saying something. Dude, you do realize that there a number of women on this board, right? Matter of fact, I know at least one of them who is a combat veteran, and served only a click away from me on the way up through Baghdad and on up towards Fallujah. You might want to change you damn tone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254680-era-appropriate-allies/#findComment-3103927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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