Brother Keyaetus Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hey, I finally got my hands on Know no fear last night and got about half way through it, and while reading I noticed something. In a topic involving Kor Phaeron and Tchure, they mention each of the primarchs who threw their loyalty with Horus each recieving a unique book of lorgar, such as perturabo's being covered in etched steel, etc. One thing that confused me though is that it says he 'He would give two copies to Alpharius, each with a subtle difference'. Now I've not read Aurelian, so maybe it is brought up there, but does Lorgar know about Alpharius/Omegon?' Its just been nagging in the back of my head since I read it even though im blitzing my way through the rest of the book in traitorous glee. Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I'd imagine the Chaos Gods would definitely have known about Omegon, and so would have mentioned it to Lorgar to make two. Or maybe Lorgar doesn't know about Omegon but made two so that an Alpha Legionnaire could pretend to be Alpharius, who knows. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3095434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelastonestanding Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 This bugged me as well, I liked the idea that it was a secret kept within the legion and known only by those in the legion, the fact that Lorgar now knows and it is just casually acknowledged by the giving of a gift irked me. Unless the other Primarchs always knew, but I've never taken this to be the case from the writing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3097476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Keyaetus Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 If lorgar knew then I would maybe understand, saying the gods be whispering to him. Horus, ehhh, maybe at some point. Who know's, the gods could of just told him to make two and he has no idea why so just did it I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3097497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 It's pretty simple. It's to represent that in the Alpha Legion nothing is as it seems. The Legion is about deception and misdirection. The two subtly different but otherwise identical books symbolise this. Alpharius and Omegon are still, in my eyes, a Legion only secret. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3099767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 It's pretty simple. It's to represent that in the Alpha Legion nothing is as it seems. The Legion is about deception and misdirection. The two subtly different but otherwise identical books symbolise this. Alpharius and Omegon are still, in my eyes, a Legion only secret. I don't think you understood the question... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3100902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 It's pretty simple. It's to represent that in the Alpha Legion nothing is as it seems. The Legion is about deception and misdirection. The two subtly different but otherwise identical books symbolise this. Alpharius and Omegon are still, in my eyes, a Legion only secret. I don't think you understood the question... How? He's asking if Lorgar knew about the two Primarchs. He doesn't. It's obvious he doesn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3101162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Do we even have confirmation no one else knows about the twin Primarchs? It's entirely feasible the other Primarchs know of them both even if no one else does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3101263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's pretty simple. It's to represent that in the Alpha Legion nothing is as it seems. The Legion is about deception and misdirection. The two subtly different but otherwise identical books symbolise this. Alpharius and Omegon are still, in my eyes, a Legion only secret. I don't think you understood the question... How? He's asking if Lorgar knew about the two Primarchs. He doesn't. It's obvious he doesn't. If it were so obvious that he didn't why would he give two books to "one" primarch...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The whisperings of the assorted gods of Chaos could have, and probably did, go 'Thou shallt make two of thy holy books for thy brother Alpharius, that he may better learn to read.', or similar. They didn't have to tell him why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The whisperings of the assorted gods of Chaos could have, and probably did, go 'Thou shallt make two of thy holy books for thy brother Alpharius, that he may better learn to read.', or similar. They didn't have to tell him why. That depends on whether you believe Erebus and Kor Phaeron or not. They like to tell everyone that Lorgar is a glorified dictation machine, writing down whatever the gods tell him, but I think he's probably more proactive than just being Space Joseph Smith. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 You should not have called him Space Joseph Smith. Lorgar Aurellian, he was a prophet, dum dum dum dum dum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The whisperings of the assorted gods of Chaos could have, and probably did, go 'Thou shallt make two of thy holy books for thy brother Alpharius, that he may better learn to read.', or similar. They didn't have to tell him why. That depends on whether you believe Erebus and Kor Phaeron or not. They like to tell everyone that Lorgar is a glorified dictation machine, writing down whatever the gods tell him, but I think he's probably more proactive than just being Space Joseph Smith. Should I take that as a hint that in reality, I'm completely wrong? From my interpretation, which is not necessarily what it actually is, I think of Lorgar as a midpoint between scribe and preacher. He seems to get some things from the Chaos gods, but interprets the knowledge that he gets from them and uses it to his advantage, so that it's still based in their word, but with a twist favorable to what he wants done on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The whisperings of the assorted gods of Chaos could have, and probably did, go 'Thou shallt make two of thy holy books for thy brother Alpharius, that he may better learn to read.', or similar. They didn't have to tell him why. That depends on whether you believe Erebus and Kor Phaeron or not. They like to tell everyone that Lorgar is a glorified dictation machine, writing down whatever the gods tell him, but I think he's probably more proactive than just being Space Joseph Smith. Should I take that as a hint that in reality, I'm completely wrong? Nope, not exactly. I mean, every author presents characters in a different way. Dan presented him as writing down the gods' dictations, so you're right on that score. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lorgar is portrayed as being the chosen of the gods. Anybody could be their proxy in the material plane, I think Lorgar's significance is a bit more substantial than merely that. As far as the whole two book situation, maybe an inside joke? I'm sure they pull the whole, "I am Alpharius." thing in their interactions with the other Legions as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The whisperings of the assorted gods of Chaos could have, and probably did, go 'Thou shallt make two of thy holy books for thy brother Alpharius, that he may better learn to read.', or similar. They didn't have to tell him why. That depends on whether you believe Erebus and Kor Phaeron or not. They like to tell everyone that Lorgar is a glorified dictation machine, writing down whatever the gods tell him, but I think he's probably more proactive than just being Space Joseph Smith. Should I take that as a hint that in reality, I'm completely wrong? Nope, not exactly. I mean, every author presents characters in a different way. Dan presented him as writing down the gods' dictations, so you're right on that score. To be so bold as to be speak for someone else; adding to this is the whole point of Lorgar. He's not a radio receiver to be used as a pure vassal for the Chaos Gods, they could have got just about any monkey to do that. Lorgar has skill at oration. When he believes something, he lives it and breaths it. That's why he is so good at convincing others of his beliefs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3107684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He's the John the Baptist of Chaos. The chosen harbinger of the primordial annihilator. He's a bit deeper than a superhuman speak and spell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3108041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 He's the John the Baptist of Chaos. The chosen harbinger of the primordial annihilator. He's a bit deeper than a superhuman speak and spell. Wonderful. Now I can't stop staring at my son's toys, waiting for one of them to start whispering dark secrets in a forbidden tongue. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3108104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Better question, how many of his brothers you think even bothered to read their book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3109339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I know, I can't imagine Angron being that bothered by it. Lorgar - "So brother, did you like the book I sent you?" Angron - "Yeah it was dead good! Very heavy and robust, the Loyalist I bludgeoned to death with it certainly appreciated it!" Logar - "Er, thanks brother." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3109393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 He's the John the Baptist of Chaos. The chosen harbinger of the primordial annihilator. He's a bit deeper than a superhuman speak and spell. Wonderful. Now I can't stop staring at my son's toys, waiting for one of them to start whispering dark secrets in a forbidden tongue. :blush: Get him a Teddy Ruxpin and that can totally happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3109617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 No. Those things scared the hell out of me when I was a kid, I can't imagine the new version is any better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3111057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormbolter Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I know, I can't imagine Angron being that bothered by it. Lorgar - "So brother, did you like the book I sent you?" Angron - "Yeah it was dead good! Very heavy and robust, the Loyalist I bludgeoned to death with it certainly appreciated it!" Logar - "Er, thanks brother." lol love it, maybe they should of made it out of the armour of some ultrtamarines that they killed :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3111517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 To be so bold as to be speak for someone else; adding to this is the whole point of Lorgar. He's not a radio receiver to be used as a pure vassal for the Chaos Gods, they could have got just about any monkey to do that. But it works better when you get an important monkey to do it!......or should I say mon-keigh? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254690-quick-knf-question/#findComment-3116551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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