Frost weapon no more

[lfbruss]

I have used this weapon as a frost weapon for 2 years, now it will be copunted as a power axe (halberd) and I'll lose the I5 just to keep the +1S and AP2!!!

It is magnetized so I can switch it but the TWC do not look good with out a pole arm, (in my opinion).

Any ideas??

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[Grimtooth]

If you paid for a frost weapon, it retains its rules as a frost weapon. The what you see is what you get rules applies to generic power weapons, not spcifically named weapons.

[Marmande]

I feel worse for Wolf Priests. S6 will be nice but only AP4? Meh.

[Toasterfree]

If you paid for a frost weapon, it retains its rules as a frost weapon. The what you see is what you get rules applies to generic power weapons, not spcifically named weapons.

for 6th this does not apply. it will be an axe.

 

that is not such a bad thing tho! as the axe is going to give you +1 s. the frost blade will also give you +1 s for a total of s6. sure at i1, BUT! the codex over rides brb.

 

wait for FAQ its convoluted.

[WyrdWolf]

I would say you could run it just as a frost sword if you want. I mean, it is a codex special weapon. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give up my regular +1S and going at initiative with a frost axe just because the BRB says "axes are different now." I like the look of the axes and why the hell not use them as a counts as frost sword if you want?

[shortysl]

If you paid for a frost weapon, it retains its rules as a frost weapon. The what you see is what you get rules applies to generic power weapons, not spcifically named weapons.

for 6th this does not apply. it will be an axe.

 

that is not such a bad thing tho! as the axe is going to give you +1 s. the frost blade will also give you +1 s for a total of s6. sure at i1, BUT! the codex over rides brb.

 

wait for FAQ its convoluted.

 

How exactly does that work? It's one or the other surely? You can't take the bonuses for it being one weapon and at the same time claim that you can take the second bonus for it being a different weapon again. I'm pretty sure you'd have to either use it as a Power Axe (as per the rulebook), or use it as a Frost Axe (as per the codex).

 

If codex overrides BRB as you claim, then it'd remain a Frost Axe, giving you +1 Strength, not +2.

[Lord Ragnarok]

I tend to think that this will fall into the "codex special stuff overrides rulebook", but we'll definitely need clarification through FAQ.

[lfbruss]

If you paid for a frost weapon, it retains its rules as a frost weapon. The what you see is what you get rules applies to generic power weapons, not spcifically named weapons.

for 6th this does not apply. it will be an axe.

 

that is not such a bad thing tho! as the axe is going to give you +1 s. the frost blade will also give you +1 s for a total of s6. sure at i1, BUT! the codex over rides brb.

 

wait for FAQ its convoluted.

 

How exactly does that work? It's one or the other surely? You can't take the bonuses for it being one weapon and at the same time claim that you can take the second bonus for it being a different weapon again. I'm pretty sure you'd have to either use it as a Power Axe (as per the rulebook), or use it as a Frost Axe (as per the codex).

 

If codex overrides BRB as you claim, then it'd remain a Frost Axe, giving you +1 Strength, not +2.

I'm not looking to gain both bonuses, just keep the stat line for the frost weapon, even though it is modeled from a halberd. BRB now says if its an axe or halberd, then its now a power axe. If it is WYSIWYG then i would have to call it a power axe now and lose the WL I5

[shortysl]

If you paid for a frost weapon, it retains its rules as a frost weapon. The what you see is what you get rules applies to generic power weapons, not spcifically named weapons.

for 6th this does not apply. it will be an axe.

 

that is not such a bad thing tho! as the axe is going to give you +1 s. the frost blade will also give you +1 s for a total of s6. sure at i1, BUT! the codex over rides brb.

 

wait for FAQ its convoluted.

 

How exactly does that work? It's one or the other surely? You can't take the bonuses for it being one weapon and at the same time claim that you can take the second bonus for it being a different weapon again. I'm pretty sure you'd have to either use it as a Power Axe (as per the rulebook), or use it as a Frost Axe (as per the codex).

 

If codex overrides BRB as you claim, then it'd remain a Frost Axe, giving you +1 Strength, not +2.

I'm not looking to gain both bonuses, just keep the stat line for the frost weapon, even though it is modeled from a halberd. BRB now says if its an axe or halberd, then its now a power axe. If it is WYSIWYG then i would have to call it a power axe now and lose the WL I5

 

Apologies, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the comment made that your weapon would now be S6 because it's both a Frost Axe AND a Power Axe. I'm aware the comment wasn't made by you and I hope you weren't offended. I personally would agree that you use the Frost Axe you've paid the points for; it is distinct from any other form of powered weapon. Should the rules for Force Weapons change, I'll still be using the rules for Nemesis Force Weapons in my Grey Knight army.

[Khine]

"Frost BLADE" all im going to say on the matter ^_^

[littlbitz]

I never gave it any thought, as I thought the codex special warhead would over-ride the rule book.

 

As I have now thought it over, if your frost blade is modeled as a sword it should be S5 AP3, if you modeled it as an axe it stands to reason that it would be S6, AP2, and unwieldy.

[shortysl]

I never gave it any thought, as I thought the codex special warhead would over-ride the rule book.

 

As I have now thought it over, if your frost blade is modeled as a sword it should be S5 AP3, if you modeled it as an axe it stands to reason that it would be S6, AP2, and unwieldy.

 

How would you account for points differences (if any) between the two weapons then? Should the Space Marine Relic Blade be S7 AP2 and unwieldy if modelled as an Axe?

 

If you purchase a Frost Blade, you use the rules for Frost Blades as given in your codex.

[lfbruss]

Here is the problem, the weapon is from a chaos knights (warhammer), so it is as you see it

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[Khine]

If you purchase a Frost Blade, you use the rules for Frost Blades as given in your codex.

 

100% agreed. It isn't like you are purchasing and putting on your army list ' Frost Axe ' so the army list over rides the wysiwyg (within reason)

[littlbitz]

Good point Shorty,

 

I actually think there is a bit in the new rules that state exactly that, special war gear is simply used as stated in the codex.

 

I will certainly be giving this a close read over the next week

[Schultzhoffen]

Easy...."Counts as..."

 

Problem solved.

[Wispy]

Okay, this is a falsehood. I have the new rule book, and Frost Weapons do not count as power axes.

 

They are classified as "Unusual Power Weapons" and "are treated as being AP3 Melee weapons with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry."

[Kassill]

So basically Power Axes everywhere will either cry or be converted to Frost Axes

[G. A. K.]

That works for frost blades but my Wp still appears to be screwed by his power maul's garbage rules. not to mention how cav models took the nerf bat to the face. all terrain is dangerous, really my giant wolf can't run over anything but grass.

And did anyone else notice that we lost Acute senses, or rather a rule of any use to our entire army? Bye, bye re-roll night fighting... while the DE totally ignore it, :blink:? Just like we lost 'no matter the odds' they changed our rule to a different name and F'ed us hard. I need to see a faq badly.

G

[eyeslikethunder]

Just convert your wp to a power sword

Not sure cav have been hit

Hammer of wrath higher base 12" move reroll charge no movement penalty for terrain and dangerous terrain is a much smaller risk on 2wound model in units with low model count

[Khine]

Just convert your wp to a power sword

 

i think the .. WP weapon is rumoured to be classed as a mace. Not really sure how you could justify the change to a power sword.

[eyeslikethunder]

Here is the problem, the weapon is from a chaos knights (warhammer), so it is as you see it

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I think this would follow the power lance rules they are ap2 when you charge it would be a small modification to be sure

[MeatGrinder]

Frost blades are exempt from the rule, power weapons and force weapons are not. Likewise, I see a spear, the same as all my characters have. Its a sword on a stick. Rules nazis can bite me.

[Grimtooth]

Okay, this is a falsehood. I have the new rule book, and Frost Weapons do not count as power axes.

 

They are classified as "Unusual Power Weapons" and "are treated as being AP3 Melee weapons with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry."

 

This is what I was referring to in my post. You paid for a frost weapon, you play it as a frost weapon. as above it is classes as a unusual weapon and thus has ap3 in melee, but still gives you +1 strength,

 

Dangeroud terrain has been nerfed. So what if TWC have to roll for it, you get to roll a save against it now. Also, Hammer of Wrath on our calvary is going to be insane against a ton of things.

 

Nemisis Force Weapons and for that matter our Runic Weapons still retain their normal rules as well like the above frost blade. They are codex specific weapons that do not fall under the the generic force weapon entry in the BGB.

[the jeske]

If you purchase a Frost Blade, you use the rules for Frost Blades as given in your codex.

 

100% agreed. It isn't like you are purchasing and putting on your army list ' Frost Axe ' so the army list over rides the wysiwyg (within reason)

not a WYSIWYG problem anyway . you check what you buy . was it a frost weapon ? stats in the SW dex. was it a power weapon? check the rule book and shape tells what rules it gets . the awesome thing is that you can have 2 weapons that look identical , but have totaly different rules and it is totaly legal .

If not the all khorn csm HQs become illegal as soon as they are on the table with Khârn .