Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 That works for frost blades but my Wp still appears to be screwed by his power maul's garbage rules. not to mention how cav models took the nerf bat to the face. all terrain is dangerous, really my giant wolf can't run over anything but grass.And did anyone else notice that we lost Acute senses, or rather a rule of any use to our entire army? Bye, bye re-roll night fighting... while the DE totally ignore it, :D? Just like we lost 'no matter the odds' they changed our rule to a different name and F'ed us hard. I need to see a faq badly. G There's nothing I've been able to find in my book on the Crozius being different, but I have heard rumors and such that they might do an FAQ or something for it. Of course, it doesn't necessarily say that the Crozius is a maul in the rules, either, so you can still run it as a power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Space Wolf faq is up now -Frost axe is +2 strength ap2 and unwieldy. Frost blades are ap3 +1 strength Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlbitz Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Damn, probably my fault Rule boyz probably read my initial response in a drunken stupor and said "hey that's a great idea". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 atleast they didn't change the crozius YET! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Space Wolf faq is up now -Frost axe is +2 strength ap2 and unwieldy. Frost blades are ap3 +1 strength So what does the unwieldy rule entail? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 initiative 1, unless you're a walker or monsterous creature. I see no benefit for taking a frost axe anymore actually? only S6 while a fist does exactly the same at S8? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Space Wolf faq is up now -Frost axe is +2 strength ap2 and unwieldy. Frost blades are ap3 +1 strength So what does the unwieldy rule entail? Attack at I1; that's it. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 initiative 1, unless you're a walker or monsterous creature. I see no benefit for taking a frost axe anymore actually? only S6 while a fist does exactly the same at S8? Only advantage is number of attacks, henrik; you get the extra attack for an off-hand weapon with the Power Axe and Frost Axe, whereas with a Power Fist you'd have to pair it with another expensive Specialist weapon to get an extra attack. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 hm, already thought about that, still don't like it but meh, we can't have it all can we?! I just checked the space marine FAQ and their crozius counts as a powermaul, so expect this to change soon for us aswell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 hm, already thought about that, still don't like it but meh, we can't have it all can we?!I just checked the space marine FAQ and their crozius counts as a powermaul, so expect this to change soon for us aswell Yep, same in Blood Angels FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 hm, already thought about that, still don't like it but meh, we can't have it all can we?!I just checked the space marine FAQ and their crozius counts as a powermaul, so expect this to change soon for us aswell Maybe GW will just happen to forget about us... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Just read the FAQ. Immediate thoughts were "...or I can take a powerfist for the same price and get more strength!" Seriously, the frost axe is the most worthless gear in the codex. I will continue to operate with all my power-axes being power swords, I think. Effing around with power weapons like that was ill advised, GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 there is one benifit to the axe over a PF, the axe gives an extra attack. its not much but it is something G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 yeah, but how many of us throw that attack away for a storm shield? I imagine most of us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Just read the FAQ. Immediate thoughts were "...or I can take a powerfist for the same price and get more strength!" Seriously, the frost axe is the most worthless gear in the codex. I will continue to operate with all my power-axes being power swords, I think. Effing around with power weapons like that was ill advised, GW. I suspect the fist will go up in cost with the next codex release. A litmus test will be the Chaos Dex if rumors are true that it is on the way soon. depending on by how much the axe may be a better choice if there are even more termies being faced today. That said, I think mass shooting is more popular now with the new rapid fire rules so it may just be better to shoot them to death(bringing more plasma too!). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Yeah, plasma is going to be rocking this edition. I'm suddenly very, very glad we get dual plasma in the standard box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Well that just pisses me off. I really want to use axes, but don't want to throw away my lords Intiative. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3101937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Do they realize that they've made the wolf lord on Thunder Wolf (EDIT: the model, that is) even sillier than it already was? Frost axes already compared quite unfavourably to wolf claws, but the difference wasn't so huge it hurt; now it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCarter Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Please tell me where you are finding this "new SW FAQ." I just downloaded the SW FAQ from GW and I find nothing relating to the 6thEd rules. This printout was at 3 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time, 1 July. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Same as the old location. Here or here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I don't get all the maul hate. Str 6 Concussive isn't bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Power mauls are alright by virtue of keeping their initiative. Power lances are interesting. A unit of Wolf Guard with them and Ragnar could be pretty devastating on the charge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Just remember, you can choose to use either weapon that you have in close combat. So if you go against a light unit, you can use a regular close combat weapon (your pistol), at regular stats and initiative. If you charge a hard unit, like termies, you can use your axe instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 This is sort of interesting - you could choose to model your unit with a sword and an axe, and then choose to attack with whatever is more appropriate for the situation. They both would grant extra attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Just remember, you can choose to use either weapon that you have in close combat. So if you go against a light unit, you can use a regular close combat weapon (your pistol), at regular stats and initiative. If you charge a hard unit, like termies, you can use your axe instead. THAT IS SUPER NEAT look at this! "The Wolf Lord has the rending special rule in close combat with any attack that does not use a special close combat weapon" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254938-frost-weapon-no-more/page/2/#findComment-3102959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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