Vlk Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Wow, just noticed that our WGs are always characters. So a WGPL in terminator armour with a CML can sniper specific models (on 6s)... and so can, for example, full units of Wolf Guards (terminator or PAs, whatever suits you) with all their shooting (and in CC). Plus, it makes my Orks VERY happy since nobs are all characters and nob bikers can therefore use "precision shot" on their twin-linked S5 dakkaguns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness drinking dwarf Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Wow, just noticed that our WGs are always characters. So a WGPL in terminator armour with a CML can sniper specific models (on 6s)... and so can, for example, full units of Wolf Guards (terminator or PAs, whatever suits you) with all their shooting (and in CC). Think this is ment for WG as pack leaders, so a unit of WG is just that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Wow, just noticed that our WGs are always characters. So a WGPL in terminator armour with a CML can sniper specific models (on 6s)... and so can, for example, full units of Wolf Guards (terminator or PAs, whatever suits you) with all their shooting (and in CC). Think this is ment for WG as pack leaders, so a unit of WG is just that. Nope, look in the rulebook. I don't know if somebody meant it any different (Paladins and Nobs are all characters, too), but that's what's written in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness drinking dwarf Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (guinness drinking dwarf @ Jul 1 2012, 02:40 PM) QUOTE Wow, just noticed that our WGs are always characters. So a WGPL in terminator armour with a CML can sniper specific models (on 6s)... and so can, for example, full units of Wolf Guards (terminator or PAs, whatever suits you) with all their shooting (and in CC). Think this is ment for WG as pack leaders, so a unit of WG is just that. Nope, look in the rulebook. I don't know if somebody meant it any different (Paladins and Nobs are all characters, too), but that's what's written in there. Ah, ok I see now at in the reference section. I was going by the new FAQ where it says 'wolf guard, pack leaders'. Sorry and thanks VLK I missed that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 may be missing something but I looks like Wolf priest confer fearless onto the unit they join regardless if it is a sSW unit or not. All the other marine FAQs state that the special rule confering fearless onto attached units only works on units taken from the same codex. i.e. BA Chaplains give fearles only to BA units. C:SP Chaps only give fearless to C:SP units. may be missing something but I looks like Wolf priest confer fearless onto the unit they join regardless if it is a sSW unit or not. All the other marine FAQs state that the special rule confering fearless onto attached units only works on units taken from the same codex. i.e. BA Chaplains give fearles only to BA units. C:SP Chaps only give fearless to C:SP units. Our Wolf Priests probably didn't get as much attention (fortunately!), because we seem to be one of the few SM chapters (if not the only one) whose Chaplain equivalent keeps a "power weapon" instead of a pre-set "power maul". we have a power maul same as everyone else Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 we have a power maul same as everyone else What makes you think that? I might have missed something, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 we have a power maul same as everyone else What makes you think that? I might have missed something, of course. it says "power weapon". And it is a maul. You go to the 6th edition rulebook to see what the rules are for power weapons that are mauls. There is an entry there for power mauls, which is what you use, aka the same as everyone else. A power maul IS a kind of power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3103862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 we have a power maul same as everyone else What makes you think that? I might have missed something, of course. it says "power weapon". And it is a maul. You go to the 6th edition rulebook to see what the rules are for power weapons that are mauls. There is an entry there for power mauls, which is what you use, aka the same as everyone else. A power maul IS a kind of power weapon. So, a Power Maul is a little worse than a Power Sword against 3+ Armour, however, against all other Armour values (including 2+), the Power Maul is quite a bit better. So, although it seems I'm always playing against other Marines when I go to the LGS for pick-up games, I don't really consider this to be too much of a nerf. I actually think it's kind of cool that the Crozius Arcanum, an iconic Marine weapon for 25 years, now grants extra Strength and is concussive. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I suppose you could modify it but I'm sure the FAQ would catch up we have a power maul same as everyone else What makes you think that? I might have missed something, of course. it says "power weapon". And it is a maul. You go to the 6th edition rulebook to see what the rules are for power weapons that are mauls. There is an entry there for power mauls, which is what you use, aka the same as everyone else. A power maul IS a kind of power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Somewhat surprised they didn't Errata Logan's Axe Morkai. As it stands, now it is nothing more than a Power Fist. Of course, they haven't made a call on Dante's Axe Mortalis yet (whether it'll be a Master-crafter Power Axe, or a unique weapon), so maybe that'll come soon when they realize the omission. V They dont need to- its not a powerfist at all. Just because its an Axe doesnt mean that it has to be a power axe by the rule book as its a powerweapon with additional rules- so it follows its listed rules, and as a power weapon is merely an AP3 attack when used as such, or following the stats of a powerfist when used as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 we have a power maul same as everyone else What makes you think that? I might have missed something, of course. it says "power weapon". And it is a maul. You go to the 6th edition rulebook to see what the rules are for power weapons that are mauls. There is an entry there for power mauls, which is what you use, aka the same as everyone else. A power maul IS a kind of power weapon. But where does it say it's a maul? It simply says 'Crozius Arcanum(Power Weapon)", which means I choose what type of power weapon it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 isn't it written somewhere in the new brb that crozius arcanum is a power maul now? btw: what's the use in getting a frost axe now? as far as I read it, those things have become utterly useless... sama price as a powerfist, also puts you at I1, but only gives 2 S xtra :s Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It's not a special power weapon, actually, as it just says 'Power Weapon', so we're free to use any type we want. Heh heh heh. EDIT: Whoah, Grey Mage's post disappeared, making the above a bit irrelevant. Blacksad, doesn't say anything about that in our FAQ or the rulebook. It does in the Space Marine FAQ, but not ours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It's not a special power weapon, actually, as it just says 'Power Weapon', so we're free to use any type we want. Heh heh heh. EDIT: Whoah, Grey Mage's post disappeared, making the above a bit irrelevant. Blacksad, doesn't say anything about that in our FAQ or the rulebook. It does in the Space Marine FAQ, but not ours. The Crozius Arcanum is now a Power Maul. If your Wolf Priest has a Crozius Arcanum, then he has a Power Maul. Actually, forget I even posted this. I've got a good idea of how this is going to go and I can't be bothered with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Where does it say that, though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 unfortunatly the rulebook states the following: "if a model's wargear says it's a powerweapon which has no further special rules, look at the model to tell which type of powerweapon it has.... if it's a blunt weapon like a mace or a staff it's a power maul, if it's a spear or lance it's a power lance. it's the same issue with our runepriests force weapon, if you modeled it as a staff it's now a force stave Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The Runic Weapon is just an AP 3 weapon, though, because it has special rules. On the Crozius Arcanum, it just states power weapon, so I can model it as a sword, axe, mace, harpoon, or what have you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 unfortunatly the rulebook states the following:"if a model's wargear says it's a powerweapon which has no further special rules, look at the model to tell which type of powerweapon it has.... if it's a blunt weapon like a mace or a staff it's a power maul, if it's a spear or lance it's a power lance. it's the same issue with our runepriests force weapon, if you modeled it as a staff it's now a force stave Yea Hendrik, our runic weapon gets some additional rules that tosses it up into the whole unusual force weapon range and is thus ap3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The Runic Weapon is just an AP 3 weapon, though, because it has special rules. On the Crozius Arcanum, it just states power weapon, so I can model it as a sword, axe, mace, harpoon, or what have you. Codex: Space Marines page 58: The Crozius Arcanum-A Chaplain's skull-headed STAFF that is both his Rod of Office and a weapon of war. Paraphrased but you don't use a sword, axe or harpoon as your Rod of Office. It would seem that you're just trying to get around the fact that the Crozius Arcanum is now a Power Maul. Chaplains are ALWAYS pictured carrying a blunt, rod-or-mace like weapon as their Crozius Arcanum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 That's referencing 1) fluff, and 2) Codex: Space Marines. According to the Space Wolf codex, it's a power weapon. According to our fluff, 'and their crackling Crozius Arcanum smites the unbeliever and the traitor wherever they may be found.' RAW, there's nothing about any maces in the codex, and unlike the Space Marine FAQ, we don't have a change to the Crozius being a mace, meaning a) this is intentional, or B) this is an oversight. Either way, it's not in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjgarces Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 A Wolf Priest is not a Chaplain so, he can take the energy weapon as they like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 A Wolf Priest is not a Chaplain so, he can take the energy weapon as they like. So what is he then? Even other posters on this thread have stated that he carries a Crozius Arcanum, which makes him a Chaplain. A rose by any other name......... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjgarces Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 But in C:SW it appears not as a crozius but a power weapon so... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 A Wolf Priest is not a Chaplain so, he can take the energy weapon as they like. So what is he then? Even other posters on this thread have stated that he carries a Crozius Arcanum, which makes him a Chaplain. A rose by any other name......... But nowhere in the Space Wolf FAQ, unlike every other Marine FAQ, does it state that he's a chaplain with a mace. The fact that this is only missing from the Space Wolves somewhat implies to me that they want Space Wolves to choose, as they wouldn't necessarily carry around a mace because the Wolves are so divergent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Actually its not a Crozius Arcanum, its the Cruzius Lupine, if you want to get technical about it.... and mine is clearly modeled with a power axe. Every last one of them. Sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/254958-6ed-faq-are-here-for-space-wolves/page/3/#findComment-3104923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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