Chaplain Lucifer Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Allies and what to do with them? That has been the question the staff has been pondering over for well over a month at this point. The B&C has an identity and while that identity has changed slightly over the years, we are still largely power armor focused (daemons and admech being the exceptions). Initially when the B&C started we had 7 forums: Amicus Blood Angels Dark Angels Space Wolves Ultramarines Chaos Liber Astartes In time we added Black Templar, Sisters of Battle (Inquisition) and Index Astartes because they were all power armor related. Even the inquisition had HQ units that could wear power armor. For a brief time we even had Lost and the Damned but they went the way of the do-do when the V3 Chaos Codex was replaced. Each time we always asked the questions: Does it help or hinder the board to add/remove this? Does it change our identity and mission? If the answers were hinder and yes to changing the identity we left it alone. Admech was our caveat to this initially because they weren’t represented anywhere on the web really (Sisters were in that same boat for a time as well). Eventually the Daemons joined this as we felt even though they are not power armor they are integral to Chaos. So had our identity changed for the worse? Better? People still came to the site in growing numbers and for the most part things kept on smooth as before. Did we lose people because of it? Maybe but we gained as many as we lost (many more gained in fact). In recent years Forge World has muddy the waters with things like the Siege of Vraks and the Tyrant’s Legion. Yes there are some power elements to those armies but they aren’t power armor armies. They are a guard cupcake with power armor sprinkles on top. So again we asked those questions and decided to stand our ground and not allow those lists on the site. A very small number of people complained (less than 10) to us and in the end we don’t think it has hurt the site. Now though, GW has muddied the waters a great deal with this allies nonsense. The chart they created for allies is so against fluff it is ridiculous, but stupid or not it is the rules of the game now. So how do we treat this? In past editions with allies we simply said “no power armor so it isn’t allowed” and left it at that. The small vocal groups were upset at first but didn’t take long for folks to get back to power armor talk without much fuss. Do we keep that tack here or alter course some? Through the discussions one thing was adamant from all, no xenos, ever on the B&C. Adding Imperial Guard (thereby becoming an “armies of humanity” board), the continuation of the AdMech forum, whether or not to keep Chaos Marines and Daemons (becoming Imperium only) were all discussed as well. In the end it was decided to hold fast to our identity and remain a power armor board. HOWEVER this does not mean we won’t let you discuss your allies. You will be restricted to where you can discuss them though. If your army list is 2 armies currently covered by the B&C as allies then you can discuss them wherever it is appropriate for that. But if your allies list contains armies we do not cover (i.e. Xenos and Imperial Guard) then your lists and how best to use your non power armor allies will be restricted to the Tactica and Army List forums. Obviously full Xenos and IG armies won’t be allowed at all. Nor will a Xenos/IG army with Marines/Sisters/Chaos as allies. Because lets be honest, if you are allying with vile Xenos then your Chapter should be hunted down, destroyed and the ashes used to salt the earth.:evil: A quick example: Your Ultramarine Army, allied with Blood Angels you can discuss in the UM forum even the BA forum, Tactica, Army list or where ever the info needed can be obtained. However your Blood Angel army bro-fisting Necrons can only be discussed in the Tactica or Army list areas. Not in the Blood Angels forum and you certainly cannot post your Necron models on the site. We’ll give this a go for a few months and if things are running smoothly leave it be. If things are not running smoothly then we’ll change them as we deem necessary. Feel free to leave your comments and questions in this thread and we will try and answer them as best we can. Thanks. -- the Staff of the B&C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Bumping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Could you sticky it, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 It'll probably be read even less if I sticky it. ;) But it's an option. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinti Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 That sounds OK for me. Even as an (also) IG Player. Keep it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Do we now allow all lists with Codex: Dark Angels involved to be posted in the DA section, or only if they are the primary detachment? I have some ideas I'm starting to mess with. Some of those use DA as allies, and others as the primary, so I want to make sure I don't post in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_angel Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 From the Mods If your army list is 2 armies currently covered by the B&C as allies then you can discuss them wherever it is appropriate for that. But if your allies list contains armies we do not cover (i.e. Xenos and Imperial Guard) then your lists and how best to use your non power armor allies will be restricted to the Tactica and Army List forums. Obviously full Xenos and IG armies won’t be allowed at all. Nor will a Xenos/IG army with Marines/Sisters/Chaos as allies. Because lets be honest, if you are allying with vile Xenos then your Chapter should be hunted down, destroyed and the ashes used to salt the earth. A quick example: Your Ultramarine Army, allied with Blood Angels you can discuss in the UM forum even the BA forum, Tactica, Army list or where ever the info needed can be obtained. However your Blood Angel army bro-fisting Necrons can only be discussed in the Tactica or Army list areas. Not in the Blood Angels forum and you certainly cannot post your Necron models on the site. Looks like you'll be good whichever forum you post in providing it's power armour. Looking forward to the lists. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Thanks for that. Answers my question perfectly. Unfortunately, it also means some perfectly valid army lists can't be discussed here. I'll abide by it, but the moderators should seriously discuss the option of power armored units as allies for xenos being allowed. I understand the specialized nature of the forum as "power armored armies only," but I feel it's a disservice to the community to quash valid tactics and discussion for armies you are intent on supporting, even if they are in a support role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 merged the two threads since the original thread answers any questions about allies. As for discussing Xeno lists, that's out of the question. Xeno players will have to take their lists to their usual place to be discussed. The Xeno player can however post his power army allies in army lists/tactica and ask for opinions on it. Nothing wrong with that and makes more sense (to me) than posting his entire primary list and ask for feedback on it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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