Brother Evar Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Due to dc not having characters they can still have a hidden fist. So no duels to kill special cc guys. New rage makes bolter dc more inviting. So taking astorath and friends as allies. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Due to dc not having characters they can still have a hidden fist. So no duels to kill special cc guys. New rage makes bolter dc more inviting. So taking astorath and friends as allies. :( I'm fairly sure that if you come up against an enemy Character then he/she can still snipe your Powerfist. Is it Precision Strike or something that the rule is called? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Due to dc not having characters they can still have a hidden fist. So no duels to kill special cc guys. New rage makes bolter dc more inviting. So taking astorath and friends as allies. B) I'm fairly sure that if you come up against an enemy Character then he/she can still snipe your Powerfist. Is it Precision Strike or something that the rule is called? It is, but does it work for cc or just shooting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Due to dc not having characters they can still have a hidden fist. So no duels to kill special cc guys. New rage makes bolter dc more inviting. So taking astorath and friends as allies. B) I'm fairly sure that if you come up against an enemy Character then he/she can still snipe your Powerfist. Is it Precision Strike or something that the rule is called? It is, but does it work for cc or just shooting? Characters can do both. One is Precision Strike and I THINK the other is Precision Shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ravensong Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Precision strikes is CC and Shooting, but only when they roll 6's to hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Precision strikes is CC and Shooting, but only when they roll 6's to hit. Ah, I was not aware that you required 6's to hit. Thanks for the update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Adrak Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is Lemartes a character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3104995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is Lemartes a character? Yes he is. He is an upgraded unit character like Lukas the Trikster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezkh Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I'd be very wary of powerfists on non-characters. Very much precision strike bait, and it's more common than you'd think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is Lemartes a character? Yes he is. He is an upgraded unit character like Lukas the Trikster. So he can targeted in a challenge by a enemy HQ? Or even anyone? That would suck bigtime. :) Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leksington Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I'd be very wary of powerfists on non-characters. Very much precision strike bait, and it's more common than you'd think. Has anyone run the numbers how naked DC do against terminators in equal points? (2 DC to 1 Terminator)? In a meta that could easily become terminator heavy, I am wary of having no AP2 in a DC squad. Now if the weight of their attacks is equal (or better) that would be eye opening and a different story entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is Lemartes a character? Yes he is. He is an upgraded unit character like Lukas the Trikster. So he can targeted in a challenge by a enemy HQ? Or even anyone? That would suck bigtime. :) Snorri Yes but by whom? Who would dare fight him wounded when he'll have 8 Str8 attacks on the charge with rerolls to hit & to wound at I5? Not many candidates IMHO. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezkh Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I'd be very wary of powerfists on non-characters. Very much precision strike bait, and it's more common than you'd think. Has anyone run the numbers how naked DC do against terminators in equal points? (2 DC to 1 Terminator)? In a meta that could easily become terminator heavy, I am wary of having no AP2 in a DC squad. Now if the weight of their attacks is equal (or better) that would be eye opening and a different story entirely. With +2, it's very charge dependent. Point for point though, DC generally have the edge through weight of attacks at I4 punching though the save IF you can deliver them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Has anyone run the numbers how naked DC do against terminators in equal points? (2 DC to 1 Terminator)? In a meta that could easily become terminator heavy, I am wary of having no AP2 in a DC squad. Now if the weight of their attacks is equal (or better) that would be eye opening and a different story entirely. Well, 2 DC on the charge have 5 attacks each, hitting on 3, wounding on 3 with rerolls on both (assuming a chaplain is present) so that would be 8.8 hits, 7.9 wounds, 1.3 unsaved wounds vs TEQ. 1 Terminator on the charge would have 3 attacks, 2 hits, 1.66 unsaved wounds so still slightly better but if you can manage to get a decent sized (8+) DC squad into assault they will win before the Terminators can strike back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine_28 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The numbers for a single Death Company Marine attacking a Terminator with a charge bonus but without a Chaplain are as follows: Death Company Attacks: 5 Hits: 3.333 Wounds: 2.222 Saved Wounds: 1.852 Unsaved Wounds: 0.37 Just in case anyone was wondering how effective Death Company would be without a character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3105592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yes but by whom? Who would dare fight him wounded when he'll have 8 Str8 attacks on the charge with rerolls to hit & to wound at I5? Not many candidates IMHO. ;) Well, I'd say anyone with a 3+ save would. Not even mentioning Terminators, Meganobz...the list continues. Altough against orks, Lemmy should do fairly well. I mean, think of unloading his crapton of attacks on a nobz unit with their what, 4+ armour? No wound shenanigans or FnP and instant Death on a failed 5+? Sounds like mopping up Terminators in the old good times. Yeah, eat it, you green scumbags. :) Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3106085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yes but by whom? Who would dare fight him wounded when he'll have 8 Str8 attacks on the charge with rerolls to hit & to wound at I5? Not many candidates IMHO. ;) Well, I'd say anyone with a 3+ save would. Not even mentioning Terminators, Meganobz...the list continues. Wait what? In a challenge? He could Instakill them before they could even have the time to think about it. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3106091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yes but by whom? Who would dare fight him wounded when he'll have 8 Str8 attacks on the charge with rerolls to hit & to wound at I5? Not many candidates IMHO. ;) Well, I'd say anyone with a 3+ save would. Not even mentioning Terminators, Meganobz...the list continues. Wait what? In a challenge? He could Instakill them before they could even have the time to think about it. ;) That's the problem, I'm afraid. 8 S8 attacks re-rolling to hit and to wound I'd rather like to be unleashed upon the unit, not a sergeant with crappy equipment. It's the same as in WHFB, keeping the good stuff away so the squad has a higher chance to survive. Sure, the 'rest' of DC will vanquish a fair amount, but...ya know...Lemartes is the killing machine here. :) Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255149-death-co-and-duels/#findComment-3106104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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