Koremu Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is Tycho's DMH considered a weapon, and if so what AP is it? Or if it's not a weapon, does it still simply cause all his other attacks to ignore all armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 My take on it: Tycho's Dead Man's Hand is not a Power Weapon, nor does it even count as one. It just ignores armor. Period. It's not an 'unusual power weapon' either because it does not fit that profile; to be one of those it would have to be a power weapon with special rules first. As things stand, it ignores all armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dead Mans Hand is not a weapon. Seems to not have an AP, just ignores all armor. I expect it will be FAQed and likely end up AP3, but for now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It the previous edition it was FAQ'd to say that it was not a Power Weapon, it was merely an attack that ignored armour. Why should it now change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I also opened a thread regarding Tycho (and some HQ stuff), and came to the same conclusion myself. Basically, Captain Tycho punches people with his awesome, and his awesome ignores armor saves since his awesome does not take a physical form...but has tangible results. (And before anyone says "actually, its his digital weapons that do the killing", read your codex....the digital weapons only give him the re-roll :lol:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I also opened a thread regarding Tycho (and some HQ stuff), and came to the same conclusion myself. Basically, Captain Tycho punches people with his awesome, and his awesome ignores armor saves since his awesome does not take a physical form...but has tangible results. (And before anyone says "actually, its his digital weapons that do the killing", read your codex....the digital weapons only give him the re-roll :lol:) +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Well I guess at least the BA Codex has one usable Captain then :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenExxes Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dead Man's Hand. I think that's the Three Stooges eye poke stright through the visor and hence it ignores armour. The digiweapon gives a re-roll because everyone has two eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 There is pretty much zero justification for Dead Man's Hand being AP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 My take on it: Tycho's Dead Man's Hand is not a Power Weapon, nor does it even count as one. It just ignores armor. Period. It's not an 'unusual power weapon' either because it does not fit that profile; to be one of those it would have to be a power weapon with special rules first. As things stand, it ignores all armor. There is pretty much zero justification for Dead Man's Hand being AP3. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 By the Emperor I hope they keep it as it is. Tycho is so manly even Chuck Norris thinks twice over starting a fight with him, and he deserves rules to suit his manliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 There is pretty much zero justification for Dead Man's Hand being AP3. The justification came from early reports purporting that weapons that "ignored armour saves" that were not PWs were calssed as AP3. So far no one has found this in the rule book though- so looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Angel Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It looks like we are being herded back to using Astorath and Tycho with Death Company Lemartes was a god before 6ht Ed he now has a nerfed maul that scares no-one. I had a real attachment to Lemmy. I am not unhappy I would proabably take Tycho sane he is the most badass captain in the game but I run jumpers so its going to have to be Astorath for now. Its pretty sad I will get over it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tj9614 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Dead Man's Hand. I think that's the Three Stooges eye poke stright through the visor and hence it ignores armour. The digiweapon gives a re-roll because everyone has two eyes. I cringed at the thought of 2 power armoured fingers gouging someone's eyes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon. Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rky Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon.Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Well, it's been FAQ'd that it isn't an additional close combat weapon. That's for the people who would claim he gets a bonus attack for having 2 ccws (even though his other weapon is a combi-melta :/) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ignores armour is quite easy to understand :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund's Fury Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It hard to find but the profile is in there "Range : Melee, Strength : As user, AP : DEAD". its all quite simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon.Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Well, it's been FAQ'd that it isn't an additional close combat weapon. That's for the people who would claim he gets a bonus attack for having 2 ccws (even though his other weapon is a combi-melta :/) He also has a bolt pistol. If the Dead Mans hand was a close combat weapon, Tycho would get the +1 attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 He also has a bolt pistol. If the Dead Mans hand was a close combat weapon, Tycho would get the +1 attack. Exactly Either its a two handed weapon, or it is not a weapon. Since theres no evidence at all for it to be a two handed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rky Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon.Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Well, it's been FAQ'd that it isn't an additional close combat weapon. That's for the people who would claim he gets a bonus attack for having 2 ccws (even though his other weapon is a combi-melta :/) He also has a bolt pistol. If the Dead Mans hand was a close combat weapon, Tycho would get the +1 attack. Well I never noticed that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon.Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Well, it's been FAQ'd that it isn't an additional close combat weapon. That's for the people who would claim he gets a bonus attack for having 2 ccws (even though his other weapon is a combi-melta :/) He also has a bolt pistol. If the Dead Mans hand was a close combat weapon, Tycho would get the +1 attack. Well, not necessarily. A Thunderhammer is a close combat weapon but you need 2 to get the +1 attack. But i also believe from the wording in the codex, that the DMH is no CCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Its already been FAQd that the Dead Mans hand isnt a weapon.Therefore it certainly isnt a power weapon Well, it's been FAQ'd that it isn't an additional close combat weapon. That's for the people who would claim he gets a bonus attack for having 2 ccws (even though his other weapon is a combi-melta :/) He also has a bolt pistol. If the Dead Mans hand was a close combat weapon, Tycho would get the +1 attack. Well, not necessarily. A Thunderhammer is a close combat weapon but you need 2 to get the +1 attack. But i also believe from the wording in the codex, that the DMH is no CCW. Well, there is a special rule to prefent hammers from gettin gthe +1 attack. That rule does not appear in DMH (of course, it may have had DMH been a weapon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveclark890 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I also opened a thread regarding Tycho (and some HQ stuff), and came to the same conclusion myself. Basically, Captain Tycho punches people with his Chuck Norris, and his Chuck Norris ignores armor saves since his Chuck Norris does not take a physical form...but has tangible results. (And before anyone says "actually, its his digital weapons that do the killing", read your codex....the digital weapons only give him the re-roll ;)) Had to do that little edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_giles Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Well I guess at least the BA Codex has one usable Captain then ;) Captains are now better than Reclusiarchs now, if the rules on challenges read anything like I think they do. In other news, Vet Sergeants can no longer safely carry PFs anymore, because Captains get Power Swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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