Hear da Lamentation Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 For me, the change in preferred enemy isn't great ... Reroll only 1s (admittedly on both to hit and wound) is not as good. But with runic armour and the arcanum (which I assume is a power maul) this makes the wolf priest an ap2 4++ fearless guy with 6str and an ap4 weapon. Pretty good for 120 points and that's without the rerolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 For me, the change in preferred enemy isn't great ... Reroll only 1s (admittedly on both to hit and wound) is not as good. But with runic armour and the arcanum (which I assume is a power maul) this makes the wolf priest an ap2 4++ fearless guy with 6str and an ap4 weapon. Pretty good for 120 points and that's without the rerolls. It's looking like a great way to synergize your GH plasma special weapons... re roll those gets hot and re roll those to wounds (usually wounding on a 2+ anyways.. not always though). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3107879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 you have got to be kidding! this is like a reusable wolf standard for us. that is awesome. also, putting him with blood claws might as well make them BS/WS 4 since you will only fail on rolls of 2s and 3s now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3107959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 you have got to be kidding! this is like a reusable wolf standard for us. that is awesome. also, putting him with blood claws might as well make them BS/WS 4 since you will only fail on rolls of 2s and 3s now. Excellent point, Matt D. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 you have got to be kidding! this is like a reusable wolf standard for us. that is awesome. also, putting him with blood claws might as well make them BS/WS 4 since you will only fail on rolls of 2s and 3s now. Don't forget might as well make them Str 5 as well on the same token of rolls of 2s and 3s to wound. But with runic armour and the arcanum (which I assume is a power maul) this makes the wolf priest an ap2 4++ fearless guy with 6str and an ap4 weapon. Pretty good for 120 points and that's without the rerolls. What exactly gives a WP the Ap2 you mentioned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlorridi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Pretty sure he was just referring to the Runic Armor giving him a 2+ save because later he refers to his weapon being AP4 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 So does this now make plasma pistols worth the points on a WP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. I was just trying to verify this and couldn't. I think it was a pre-6th rumor, since it's not listed in the new RB and even the C:SM codex entry labels it as a power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 you have got to be kidding! this is like a reusable wolf standard for us. that is awesome. also, putting him with blood claws might as well make them BS/WS 4 since you will only fail on rolls of 2s and 3s now. Yeah but you don't get rerolls for the rerolls still right? And what about a WP monitoring some Skyclaws? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. A Wolf Priest Wargear entry lists him as having "Crozius Arcanum (Power weapon)". There is no "Crozius Arcanum" entry in the the Wolf Priest entry or Wargear sectin of the Codex, but there is a "Power Weapon" entry - which refers us to the Rulebook. The 6th Ed Rulebook tells us to look at the "Power Weapon" the determine it's sub-type, however it also tells us that "Crozius Arcanums" are Power Mauls - so the Wolf Priest bears a Power Maul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. A Wolf Priest Wargear entry lists him as having "Crozius Arcanum (Power weapon)". There is no "Crozius Arcanum" entry in the the Wolf Priest entry or Wargear sectin of the Codex, but there is a "Power Weapon" entry - which refers us to the Rulebook. The 6th Ed Rulebook tells us to look at the "Power Weapon" the determine it's sub-type, however it also tells us that "Crozius Arcanums" are Power Mauls - so the Wolf Priest bears a Power Maul. Exactly correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. A Wolf Priest Wargear entry lists him as having "Crozius Arcanum (Power weapon)". There is no "Crozius Arcanum" entry in the the Wolf Priest entry or Wargear sectin of the Codex, but there is a "Power Weapon" entry - which refers us to the Rulebook. The 6th Ed Rulebook tells us to look at the "Power Weapon" the determine it's sub-type, however it also tells us that "Crozius Arcanums" are Power Mauls - so the Wolf Priest bears a Power Maul. Exactly correct. Yeah, that may be true but it is very round about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Our WP are quite useful now as has already pointed out. One thing missed is that if our crozius is classed as a maul, it also then has the concussive special rule allowing for him to knock the initiative down on multiwound enemy models for the unit he is accompnying to finish off. our Crozius is a power weapon, we don't have to take it as a maul.. unless i missed something. A Wolf Priest Wargear entry lists him as having "Crozius Arcanum (Power weapon)". There is no "Crozius Arcanum" entry in the the Wolf Priest entry or Wargear sectin of the Codex, but there is a "Power Weapon" entry - which refers us to the Rulebook. The 6th Ed Rulebook tells us to look at the "Power Weapon" the determine it's sub-type, however it also tells us that "Crozius Arcanums" are Power Mauls - so the Wolf Priest bears a Power Maul. Exactly correct. If only people looked out Flakk rounds in the same manner... :) Back on topic, My Wolf Priest will definitely be making an appearance on the field, especially if he can indeed pass on his SotH and Outflank with some Plasma bearing Grey Hunters. Just wish I hadn't given him a bolt pistol....*eyes clippers next to him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 [ Exactly correct. Yeah, that may be true but it is very round about. Maybe. We all agree that the Crozius is defined as a Power Weapon in our codex. The thing is, that was a 5e classification, whereas in 6e, you have to determine what the exact type of 'Weapon' it is. It has to be something more specific now, and the choices that we are offered are: Sword, Axe, Maul, and Lance. When you aren't told specifically in your codex, or FAQ/Errata/Amendment what you've got, exactly, then you use the method described in the BYB, which is to pick up the model and look at it, and assign it the most appropriate type from the 4 choices based on what you see. The Maul is clearly the best choice - "if it's a blunt weapon, like a mace or a staff, it's a power maul" (BYB page 61). This is further reinforced by both the SM and BA FAQ documents that specify that Crozius Arcanums are Power Mauls. V "Fear my new fancy Power Maul, Xeno scum!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I'm still thinking about fielding my Wolf priest in termie armor with a WG in termie and 6 GH's. Given the pack as much plasma as possible in a drop pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 Certainly is looking like the WP is a hell of a good use of points (I would recommend putting him runic armour for 120points). Really good point about the re-rolls with plasma as well. (I dont think there can be much argument about the type of power weapon it is. It isnt a sword, it isnt an axe. It is a staff / crushing weapon. Hence a maul). As a lover of bikers .... it's a nice option to have him at the front of a Biker pack too. This "outflank" will need to be read a bit more by me before I feel confident ... but it certainly has some nice potential ...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3108977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 If only people looked out Flakk rounds in the same manner... :devil: I'll be weighing in on that thread when I have all the pertinent tidbits in order... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3109243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 OK, now I remember why the terminator is no good. Forgot all about the +4INV. Agreed runic is better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3109252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 [ Exactly correct. Yeah, that may be true but it is very round about. Maybe. We all agree that the Crozius is defined as a Power Weapon in our codex. The thing is, that was a 5e classification, whereas in 6e, you have to determine what the exact type of 'Weapon' it is. It has to be something more specific now, and the choices that we are offered are: Sword, Axe, Maul, and Lance. When you aren't told specifically in your codex, or FAQ/Errata/Amendment what you've got, exactly, then you use the method described in the BYB, which is to pick up the model and look at it, and assign it the most appropriate type from the 4 choices based on what you see. The Maul is clearly the best choice - "if it's a blunt weapon, like a mace or a staff, it's a power maul" (BYB page 61). This is further reinforced by both the SM and BA FAQ documents that specify that Crozius Arcanums are Power Mauls. V "Fear my new fancy Power Maul, Xeno scum!" Aweh x.x now i gotta re model my WP with spear cause he had SotH... -kicks a stone- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255449-wolf-priests/#findComment-3109633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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