6th ED SW FAQ new questions

[eyeslikethunder]

Hi Guy there seem to be questions arising from 6th Ed that need answering in the FAQ's

So I would like to gather all the questions we what answering by GW

 

As Gw are old fashioned they place a higher importance on letters than on Emails. So I will be writing mulitple letters and posting them and i am willing to do this for others if you are willing to sign up

 

The blood angels forum did this in 5th and got their answers back quickly in the FAQ's

 

Questions so far

1)Does a character with Saga of the hunter pass on His outflank rule to the units he is attached?

Does saga of the hunter have the outflank USR

any unit that contains at least one model with this special rule

2)If an Obel unit outflanks with a Character with saga of the hunter attatched do they roll on the obel table?

If a Wolf Scout unit makes use of its

ability to outflank, roll a dice when it enters play to see

where it may be deployed

3)Do any SW missile launchers get Flakk, How much are flakk missiles or are they free?

4)Do all wolf guard have character status? p411 BRB

5)Is the wolf priests Crozius Arcanum a power maul, what about Ulrick

6)What are the stats of the axe of morkai is it a frost blade and powerfist?

The Axe

Morkai may be used as a frost blade or, if logan wields it

with both hands, a power fist.

7)Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

8)Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls?

9)how do challenges work in multiple combats? can I challenge / accept from unit which are not directly in CC with the other

10)how many hull points does Bjorn have

11)if Fen.Wolves bought as wargear are included in an ICs challenge combat.

12)Chooser of slain does the +1 BS come after the Snap fire modification(signum as well)

Basic vs Advanced: Snap fire is a basic rule, Chooser is advanced. Page 7 of the BGB says that advanced rules always override basic rules, therefore you fire at BS 5 with the Chooser when snap firing.

Page 9 of the BRB states that the person whose turn it is decides the order in which it's resolved. Therefore the Chooser can be applied last, after the reduction to BS 1, allowing the model to fire at a flyer at BS 2.

- Chooser is a Codex rule, Hard to Hit is a rulebook rule, Codex trumps rulebook as per page 7.

13)Do tempests wrath or murderous hurricane force dangerous terrain tests on zooming flyers as it is aerial rather than ground terrain?

14) skyclaws do not seem to be affected by headstrong as it states bloodclaws only or able to be joined by wolfguard with jump packs s the deliberate?

If a pack of Blood Claws is within 6" of an enemy model at the beginning of the Shooting

phase, that pack will forgo its Shooting phase altogether as it prepares for a devastating charge

 

Wolf Guard has the option of being split off from his pack and assigned to lead a different pack from the following list: Blood Claws, Swiftclaw Bike Packs, Grey Hunters, Wolf Scouts, Long Fangs

15)Are Arjac and Lukas characters?

16) Do the thunderwolves rending carry on to special weapon attacks. The 6th ed rulebook indicates but the FAQ has has still got the old 5th ed rules copy and pasted in it

17) Does look out sir work against JOTWW

When a.Wound (or unsaved'Wound) is allocated ro one of your

characters,

19) In close combat, a model with a wolftooth necklace always hits on the roll of a 3+ regardless of comparative Weapon Skills.[/i]", C:SW, Pg.62

Does this even apply against Immobile vehicles, reducing the character from auto-hitting Immobile vehicles to hitting on a 3+?

 

 

Please give me your questions

[elithren]

Clarification on the Axe of Morkai so there is no debate on it.

[eyeslikethunder]

Clarification on axe of morkai added

[MalachiOfRuss]

Do all wolf guard have character status?

I thought it was clear that the answer is "yes" based on the reference in the back of the 6th ed book. The FAQ further clarified that WG joining another pack also/still have Character status.

 

EDIT ADD:

Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls? (RAW right now, I would say "yes")

[TiguriusX]

Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

[eyeslikethunder]

added

Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

[eyeslikethunder]

added

 

Do all wolf guard have character status?

I thought it was clear that the answer is "yes" based on the reference in the back of the 6th ed book. The FAQ further clarified that WG joining another pack also/still have Character status.

 

EDIT ADD:

Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls? (RAW right now, I would say "yes")

[TiguriusX]

added

Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

 

If the answer is yes you can sneak terminator armor around

:lol:

Only wolf guard have the limitation

 

But better loadout is probably runic armor and jump pack with bear or warrior saga.

Once his next turn rolls around he goes soloing

[Prozzak]

nvm, already in

[Lagrath]

The answers to all of these but the one I don't understand are pretty obvious from simple RAW and the SW FAQ, and have already been hammered out on various message boards:

 

1)Does Saga of the hunter pass on His outflank rule to the units he is attatched?

 

Yes

 

2)If an Obel unit outflanks with a soh attacthed do they roll on the obel table?

 

I have no idea what this means in English

 

3)How much are flakk missiles or are they free?

 

Can't have them at all

 

4)Do all wolf guard have character status?

 

Yes

 

5)Is the wolf priests CA a power maul

 

Yes

 

6)What are the stats to the axe of morkai is it a frost blade and powerfist?

 

That is exactly what it says in the rules for the item, so yes; it is +1 str AP 3 or 2xStr AP 2 I1

 

7)Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

 

Yes

 

8)Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls?

 

Yes

 

 

Don't bother contacting anyone about any of these unless you need extra ammunition to convince people in your local gaming group who refuse to accept RAW

[elithren]

First off, if your going to use the appendix to support an arguement, be sure to use it for everything. While the appendix says that the wolf guard are characters, go read the FAQ. From the FAQ:

Wolf Guard, Pack Leaders

"Add the following sentence to the end of the paragraph: Furthermore, a wolf guard pack leader's unit type becomes 'Character' in addition to its normal type"

 

So no, normal wolf guard would not be characters or there would be no reason to include this into our FAQ if they were already characters! From the same appendix you referenced, look up missile launchers. It lists 3 ammunition types for them. In our codex, dreads and long fangs take normal missile launchers, so according to the appendix, they get the flak missile, since the weapon has it in the appendix. However, that same book says earlier that units have to upgrade to get the option to use them, and there was no change or list in the FAQ saying specifically that we could take them as Space Wolves.

 

Point being, there are things that need to be clarified and an official stance taken by GW so that all gamers know how it works and dont argue with each other about my unit getting this or his unit getting that. While you may think it's clear as light and day, it's not to everyone. If someone feels the need to have an official statement made and is willing to put forth the effort to get it done, dont shut them down and be negative about it.

[Prozzak]

Point being, there are things that need to be clarified and an official stance taken by GW so that all gamers know how it works and dont argue with each other about my unit getting this or his unit getting that. While you may think it's clear as light and day, it's not to everyone. If someone feels the need to have an official statement made and is willing to put forth the effort to get it done, dont shut them down and be negative about it.

+1

[eyeslikethunder]

had verbal request to )how do challenges work in multiple combats? can I challenge / accept from unit which are not directly in CC with the other

[eyeslikethunder]

Thx guys

Point being, there are things that need to be clarified and an official stance taken by GW so that all gamers know how it works and dont argue with each other about my unit getting this or his unit getting that. While you may think it's clear as light and day, it's not to everyone. If someone feels the need to have an official statement made and is willing to put forth the effort to get it done, dont shut them down and be negative about it.

+1

[Lagrath]

Well AFAIK GW basically never responds to requests to improve/update the FAQs over the past 10+ years; they release them when they want and they respond to whatever they feel like answering, unrelated to whether a question is a burning issue or whether its something that no one using that codex wanted clarified. However, since they released the 6th Ed FAQs right away, are using more online instant-update codexes, and are issuing new rules in White Dwarf, maybe they will now finally be a little more responsive to community feedback on rules.

 

All that being said: beware of getting what you wished for. All of these issues are currently clearly answerable based on RAW, and the only ones that look likely to be changed upon clarification are ones that already work out to the benefit of Space Wolves players. We all know how arbitrarily GW can suddenly reverse RAW for no discernible reason whatsoever, or even go out of the way to make an item or ability useless for no reason (like when they said that a bunch of Njal's early-game abilities do nothing at all if you go second, even they all they had to do was clarify that they last until your next player turn like all other similar abilities in the game).

 

Edit: Actually I am going to correct myself here and say that asking for an update on Flakk missiles is important and would probably elicit a response, since it affects most armies in the game and since the update paragraph about weapon profiles in every new FAQ can be read either way for RAW because it was written so sloppily. However, I would still leave out most of those other questions.

[wiplash]

am i missing how many hull points Bjorn has? something i couldn't find but no one seems to be asking?

[dswanick]

I'd like to know if Fen.Wolves bought as wargear are included in an ICs challenge combat.

[MalachiOfRuss]

First off, if your going to use the appendix to support an arguement, be sure to use it for everything. While the appendix says that the wolf guard are characters, go read the FAQ. From the FAQ:

Wolf Guard, Pack Leaders

"Add the following sentence to the end of the paragraph: Furthermore, a wolf guard pack leader's unit type becomes 'Character' in addition to its normal type"

 

So no, normal wolf guard would not be characters or there would be no reason to include this into our FAQ if they were already characters!

I don't agree with the reverse logic there. I think the FAQ addition is there to clarify the WGPL do not lose their 'Character' status.

 

If Wolf Guard are not characters then why does the Reference on p. 411 list their unit type as "In (ch)"?

[elithren]

There is no reason for them to lose the character status when joining a squad because it isnt a special rule, nor does it follow the lose of special rule system when joining another squad, because its a unit type. The FAQ is crystal clear about how they gain the character type when they join a squad ie grey Hunters.

 

The listing in the appendix most likely refers to them becoming characters when becoming pack leaders. However, its an issue up for debate because its unclear. Hence why the question is being presented so we get a clear, official ruling.

[dietrich]

Here's my answers. Your mileage may vary. Some are based on the current FAQ, and I bet at some point in the near future, GW revises it.

 

1)Does Saga of the hunter pass on His outflank rule to the units he is attatched?

2)If an Obel unit outflanks with a Character with saga of the hunter attacthed do they roll on the obel table?

3)How much are flakk missiles or are they free?

4)Do all wolf guard have character status?

5)Is the wolf priests CA a power maul

6)What are the stats to the axe of morkai is it a frost blade and powerfist?

7)Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

8)Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls?

9)how do challenges work in multiple combats? can I challenge / accept from unit which are not directly in CC with the other

 

Here's my answers:

1) Yes. The wording for Outflank is the same as Stubborn, used in the IC example on page 39.

2) No. Behind Enemy Lines is a special rule for the unit. Per the rulebook page 39, since it isn't specified in the rule, the IC can't use the rule.

3) No one has them right now.

4) Yes. I think the line in the FAQ is to make it clear if their unit type changes (by taking a bike or jump pack), they're still characters. Since Paladins and Nobz are all characters, I can believe that Wolfguard are all characters too. This might not be GW's intent, but the appendix summary states they are characters.

5) No. The Space Marine one is, the SW FAQ doesn't address it. The codex says it is a Power Weapon. Ulrik doesn't even have a Crozius Arcanum, his wargear just lists Power Weapon. Model to your preference, although it could be later changed in the FAQ.

6) What the FAQ lists.

7) No. See 2.

8) It appears to. Also works on the dice roll for assault distance. Doesn't for Leadership since that it is stated in the FAQ.

9) Yes. Page 64, issuing challenges. One challenge can be issued per close combat, nominate a character in one of your units locked in combat. To accept, you nominate one of your characters who is eligible to fight. It doesn't specify that it has to be a unit engaged with the challenger.

[Grimtooth]

Here's my answers. Your mileage may vary. Some are based on the current FAQ, and I bet at some point in the near future, GW revises it.

 

1)Does Saga of the hunter pass on His outflank rule to the units he is attatched?

2)If an Obel unit outflanks with a Character with saga of the hunter attacthed do they roll on the obel table?

3)How much are flakk missiles or are they free?

4)Do all wolf guard have character status?

5)Is the wolf priests CA a power maul

6)What are the stats to the axe of morkai is it a frost blade and powerfist?

7)Can an IC without saga of the hunter join wolf scouts and outflank because at least one model (wolf scouts) has the ability?

8)Does the Wolf Standard ability to reroll 1's apply to the entire Assault phase, and thus 1's can be rerolled on Overwatch To Hit and To Wound rolls?

9)how do challenges work in multiple combats? can I challenge / accept from unit which are not directly in CC with the other

 

Here's my answers:

1) Yes. The wording for Outflank is the same as Stubborn, used in the IC example on page 39.

2) No. Behind Enemy Lines is a special rule for the unit. Per the rulebook page 39, since it isn't specified in the rule, the IC can't use the rule.

3) No one has them right now.

4) Yes. I think the line in the FAQ is to make it clear if their unit type changes (by taking a bike or jump pack), they're still characters. Since Paladins and Nobz are all characters, I can believe that Wolfguard are all characters too. This might not be GW's intent, but the appendix summary states they are characters.

5) No. The Space Marine one is, the SW FAQ doesn't address it. The codex says it is a Power Weapon. Ulrik doesn't even have a Crozius Arcanum, his wargear just lists Power Weapon. Model to your preference, although it could be later changed in the FAQ.

6) What the FAQ lists.

7) No. See 2.

8) It appears to. Also works on the dice roll for assault distance. Doesn't for Leadership since that it is stated in the FAQ.

9) Yes. Page 64, issuing challenges. One challenge can be issued per close combat, nominate a character in one of your units locked in combat. To accept, you nominate one of your characters who is eligible to fight. It doesn't specify that it has to be a unit engaged with the challenger.

 

Just fyi, OBEL specifies that the Wolf Scout unit rolls on the ObEL table. Once an IC with Saga of the Hunter joins the Wolf Scout unit he is part of that unit for all intents and purposess.

[dietrich]

Page 39 of the 6th edition rulebook discusses IC's joining units when they don't have the same special rules. Some USRs, like Stealth and Outflank, specify that only one model in the unit has to have the skill for the unit to use it. Since Behind Enemy Lines doesn't specify the unit can use the skill with an attached IC, the unit can't use the skill. Wolf Scouts with an IC with Saga of the Hunter can still Outflank, but would have to come on using the standard rules (with a re-roll for Acute Senses).

[Lagrath]

The listing in the appendix most likely refers to them becoming characters when becoming pack leaders.

 

This is a totally wrong, unsubstantiated remark, as the squad leader and WG in WG squads have different names for the unit (hence the additional rules in the FAQ). They change into a different type of unit with a different name when they split off (which is left out of the main rulebook). The FAQ then simply clarifies that the WG not only changes into a totally new type of unit, but it also changes into a character. RAW the WG is 100% a character either in the WG unit or as WG leader. For normal WG you follow the rules for unit type which are in the BRB, which say character. There is nothing unclear or debatable about it.

[eyeslikethunder]

am i missing how many hull points Bjorn has? something i couldn't find but no one seems to be asking?

Good idea will add its worth knowing

[Blacksad]

Page 39 of the 6th edition rulebook discusses IC's joining units when they don't have the same special rules. Some USRs, like Stealth and Outflank, specify that only one model in the unit has to have the skill for the unit to use it. Since Behind Enemy Lines doesn't specify the unit can use the skill with an attached IC, the unit can't use the skill. Wolf Scouts with an IC with Saga of the Hunter can still Outflank, but would have to come on using the standard rules (with a re-roll for Acute Senses).

I wholeheartedly disagree. USR = outflank. they both have it. Obel is like the bloodclaws' +2 attacks rule for assaulting. they don't lose that just cause an Ic without the rule joins them. same for Obel with scouts. the scouts and added IC use the outflank USR, which triggers the OBel special rule of the scouts, modifying the workings of the outflank USR for the entire unit.