Drown Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I've been told that ba can take stormtalons now, Anyone know anything about this? I guess the logic from what I've heard is that we have access to preds, storm ravens, etc. and they are not in the new rule book under available vehicles. Seems a little thin to me considering the only thing I've found directly talking about it is the white dwarf article. Hope it does turn out to be accurate cause I'd love to have one or two to replace my Baal preds and have a reliable unit with skyfire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 You cannot still as of right now the Stormtalon is still a C:SM option. PS I would like to point out that the transfer sheet has a Blood Angels tear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drown Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 Makes me a little sad. I picked one up a couple of days ago and started painting. Amazingly fun model, i almost completely finished it, too bad I won't be Painting any more in the near future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Your sad I built and painted three and played them just to be told mid game I was wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drown Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share Posted July 7, 2012 I'll just take one as allies I guess and still use my bikes for my fast attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Tiberius Kondrad Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I'll just take one as allies I guess and still use my bikes for my fast attack. This ^ I plan taking a few in my BA force painted in BA colours, but using allies rules. CTK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Makes me a little sad. I picked one up a couple of days ago and started painting. Amazingly fun model, i almost completely finished it, too bad I won't be Painting any more in the near future. With allies in 6th you can totally use it. Use it as "counts as" BA. Just get some SM troops and an HQ - and you're golden. If I do decide to ally, it will be with other SM and then, theres no way there will be any other colour but red/black in my army. Counts as for the win! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barduck Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 copy/pasted from a mail I've got from GW: Hello, Many thanks for your email. The space marine Stormtalon gunship Is an addition to the Codex: Space Marines and is available to all Space Marine players using that codex for there army. Regarding why it is not available to other chapters with individual Codex's such as Space Wolves or Blood Angels is because these armies have things which the standard Codex: Space Marines do not have access too, such as Thunder wolves or Baal Predators. We will pass your feedback through to the studio as well so they can have a look at your suggestions. If you have any further questions feel free to get in touch. Kind regards, Scott Edwards Games Workshop Customer Service Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What did you say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 My local store hath decreed that all space marines can use the talon. I did point out they were wrong, but they decreed it was thus. I prefer the RAven anyway, and I have two :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3112856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Is the Tallon actually prohibited anywhere other than simply not being in Codex BA, or explicity mentioned alongside codex BA in its WD article? Seems to me right now that the appendix entry for it in the BRB lists it as a "space marine vehicle" in the same way as the stormraven which is now generally accepted as avalible to all Marine codexes? I.e. nothing explicity tells us we can't but there is circumstantial evedence that we can, far from clear but the waters should be muddy enough for most people I'd have thought, unless I missed something? EDIT: Missed that letter from GW, guess thats fairly clear. Still short of tournies I can't see many people having any issue (unless your playerbase is much more lawyery than mine I suppose) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Tiberius Kondrad Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The Raven is listed under generic marine vehicle because it appears in 2 different codecies (BA & GK). It is still NOT available to DA, BT, SW or C:SM unless using the allies rules. The WD article for the Talon stated that it was only available to C:SM. Again the only way around that is allies. CTK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegofort Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Ok, I understand that we can't take the storm talon directly and it seems like a decent model but is it really worth it to pax the hq and troop tax to get it in the army when you can just take a storm raven and it come out cheaper? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 No that's not worth it, taking a stormtalon by allying is only worth it when that HQ + Troop unit really fits into your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Tiberius Kondrad Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 That is of course true. But I'll still be taking a couple because I like the model (or conversion potential). Will I field them? Probably not unless I'm playing apoc... And then I'll be able to field them anyway, allies or not. CTK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barduck Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What did you say? this is the mail I send: Greetings, I have a question concerning the strom talon. In WD there was an article with the rules for this flyer and it states that it is to be considered an official update to the codex:Space Marines. However, I don't technicly play SM's but Blood Angels. And I'd really like to get a few storm talons in to my army. Now, I would really like an official statement that either approves or disapproves having these birds in our list. TBH I can't think of a reason why BA's can't take it, they are afterall space marines, but it would be nice to have an official statement to that for those games where an oppenent rules them out by default saying they are not included in the BA codex so you can't have them. TIA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Shared model ranges and fluff aside, I think it's best if you just consider each separate codex as a completely unique "army" for game purposes. We aren't Space Marines. We're Blood Angels, and as separate and distinct as Tau and Orks. We use our own rules, not theirs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhx711 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 My local store hath decreed that all space marines can use the talon.I did point out they were wrong, but they decreed it was thus. I prefer the RAven anyway, and I have two :P I wonder if that decree has anything to do with selling more models? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/255840-stormtallon-for-ba/#findComment-3113326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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