Valkyrion Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Can you ally with yourself to open up an extra HQ plus E, FA or HS slot? The square in the matrix is left blank, so I don't know if that means you can ally by default, or can't ally at all, and I can't see where it is written (if it is) that you may or may not ally with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 No, the rulebook prohibits that: it's on p. 109. You can take a second Primary Detachment at 2000 points, so you can sort of ally with yourself in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ah, you must mean that bit in bold right below the picture of the FOC chart under the words 'Allied Detachments'.......my bad, looking but not seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 It happens, I wouldn't worry about it. I think it probably would have been sensible for them to also mention that rule beside the allies table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 It's a shame, narratively, that the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists can't ally, or two craftworlds, or a pure Inquisition warband with GK. Might house rule it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Functionally, Imp. Fistd and Ultras use the same rules, so just use two primary detachments at 2k and use some of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Or use one single detachment and simply have the units painted in different colours, since they are rules wise identical and come from the same army list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidoneus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Or use one single detachment and simply have the units painted in different colours, since they are rules wise identical and come from the same army list... Not necessarily, since various Chapter Tactics can replace Combat Tactics, or just generally a lot of special characters impart alternative special rules or organizational structure for their armies. In that case, allying in Salamanders (with Vulkan) would be similar to allying in Blood Angels, since they both use different rules than Ultramarines. Granted, you can do this with two detachments, but that only works at 2000+ pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 That's only if you want to play with special characters, which I maintain you do not need in order to play Imperial Fists, Raven Guard or any of the other Chapters. But ten you could already take Vulkan in your Lysander army and just not get his Chapter Tactics rule in 5th Edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 You don't need special characters in a list to make them fit a certain army; Dorn and Vulkan don't roll out with every single deployment. Paint some yellow, paint some green, make up your own names for some and live without wonky chapter tactics. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I inquired about this recently (in my case it was a Chapter with an allied detachment from one of it's Successor Chapters), but sadly the answer was no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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