mimd Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Was curious how you feel your units have changed. For me my Rune priests are now taken in pairs with one with regular powers(LL and MH) and one buffing other units with biomancy when possible. In addition the psychic defense of the rune priests are even better then ever. My long fangs now use more laz and plaz then missiles to deal with those pesky termies and also pop vehicles faster. Also I was worried my Dreadnought(Heavy flamer, twin linked laz and wolftooth necklace) would be gimped with this edition but so far it has not been bad.(Tonight for example he ate a 5 man termy squad and 7 grey hunters with out taking even a single glance). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Was curious how you feel your units have changed. I discuss this very topic here in my Blog. My comments for 6e changes are in blue font (so make sure you're using the Space Wolves skin before trying to read it). Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3117354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeenos Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Dear god man, that blue on black almost killed me. Changed my B&C to baby blue but perhaps limiting the people that will read it by needing that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Dear god man, that blue on black almost killed me. Changed my B&C to baby blue but perhaps limiting the people that will read it by needing that? I just highlighted each response. It's worth reading what Valerian has to say, trust me. Well, my Wolf Wing has gotten quite a lot better thanks to 6th edition, it's still not a top tier army, but I can see it doing a lot better tabletop within my local meta. I am not changing to load outs too much. Definitely adding several more combi-plasma guns to my packs, and dusting off my TDAWP (with combi-plas) for some rapid fire and moving action + re-rolls up the wazoo!! I was never much a fan of the whole rhino rush build, so I think if I am to put down my termis in the next several months (doubtful) it will be to work on a footslogging GH/TWC hybrid list. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Dear god man, that blue on black almost killed me. Changed my B&C to baby blue but perhaps limiting the people that will read it by needing that? I've been using the Space Wolves skin (by clicking the option on the lower left corner of this web-page) for years, so it's just how I'm used to seeing the website. Apologies for any inconvenience. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! I actually find the Dark Angels skin to be the sweetest to read from. Links don't show up, so when people write here instead of HERE, then sometimes I'm left thinking "so where's the link?" but other than that, DA is clearer than the B&C black and grey, and not too bright like the white/light backgrounds of other skins. And your SW buddies will never know :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzo Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 For me, Rune priests are just absolutely a must have now. The psychic defense they provide is one of the best in the game now, but the divination powers are just amazing. I recently experimented with a full plasma cannon long fang pack with a tda wg attached as a wound shield. I put a master of runes with them and the two powers I got were prescience and perfect timing. Of course getting perfect timing is really luck, but this combo.. One of my new favs. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3118308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! Come to The Fang, and prop up your feet by the fire; you can learn something new here every day. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3119693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I actually find the Dark Angels skin to be the sweetest to read from.Links don't show up, so when people write here instead of HERE, then sometimes I'm left thinking "so where's the link?" but other than that, DA is clearer than the B&C black and grey, and not too bright like the white/light backgrounds of other skins. And your SW buddies will never know :cuss HERETIC SCU- oh wait... ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! Come to The Fang, and prop up your feet by the fire; you can learn something new here every day. V So I'm guessing not everyone was around on the day Space Wolves got their new and shiny 5th Edition Codex? The whole site changed for a day or three. Back on topic, I guess I won't be buying those razorbacks after all and I still need to fix up my Wolf Priest. His crozius will be replaced by an axe. A power axe on a skyclaw is initially problematic but hey if I get the charge that's a-ok with me. My Wolf Guard proxy Lord Lord (looking waaaaay to cool for his initial status) can't rip up 2+ save stuff anymore but he never had to anyway so that's not a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3119707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dvorikr Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 All in all, I don't think that the units I use have changed all that much; however, the way in which I use them has. I have only been playing 1000 point games to get the hang of 6th so far, and I don't think that I have ever initiated a charge with my grey hunters. I absolutely love rapid firing, rapid firing again because of overwatch, and then counter-attacking. :D I have seen some units that I didn't use too often previously get some more playing time, such as my swift claws, and my wolf priests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3120266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! Come to The Fang, and prop up your feet by the fire; you can learn something new here every day. V Yeah, I just found out about it a week or so ago and have been loving it ever since! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3120365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think Valerian is right in his blog, but I won't be running Ragnar until we get a 6e codex, he's just too vulnerable now that his frostblade is nerfed against 2+ saves and his initiative is nerfed on the charge. I think those were amongst his biggest selling points. Those have gone so it's time to reconsider jut who will lead my great company. Runic Armour or a storm shield is now a complete necessity for any character that hopes to weather a challenge in my (as yet not completely tested) opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3120999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think Valerian is right in his blog, but I won't be running Ragnar until we get a 6e codex, he's just too vulnerable now that his frostblade is nerfed against 2+ saves and his initiative is nerfed on the charge. I think those were amongst his biggest selling points. Those have gone so it's time to reconsider jut who will lead my great company. MonSTeR, I think as long as you keep him with a unit of Wolf Guard (as Russ intended ;) ), he'll be just fine. You can accept a challenge with anyone, so he can pick and choose which ones you want him to participate in. Of course, he's an expensive character, so I probably won't use him, either, in games less than 1,850 - maybe even 2k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3121270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praga Ashskull Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 ...Space. Wolf. Skin.... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! End of Line no kidding, I never even saw that thing in the corner before today. It's so much brighter in here now! Come to The Fang, and prop up your feet by the fire; you can learn something new here every day. V Yeah, I just found out about it a week or so ago and have been loving it ever since! :huh: never saw that either Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3121546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostclaw222 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Ragnar is fine, as is. The number of attacks mitigates any AP issue, in my opinion. That being said, yes, he needs Wolf Guard wrapping. Or better still, Grey Hunter wrapping so that Standard comes into play. My Great Company has always been Ragnar's with a little of the Old Wolf sprinkled in during higher-point games. It will remain so. I'm just not sure whether I'll go Claws of Russ style with massive drop pod blitz, or examine foot or mech. What I know for sure, though: Lone Wolves just got a lot prettier. In that ugly, beat you to death sort of way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3121981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Ragnar is fine, as is. The number of attacks mitigates any AP issue, in my opinion. It doesn't matter how many attacks you have when they won't penetrate the armour you're up against:( Fight against a terminator heavy force and see how much good AP3 does you :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3122028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 That being said, yes, he needs Wolf Guard wrapping. Or better still, Grey Hunter wrapping so that Standard comes into play. The problem with a Grey Hunter wrapping, is that you'll have one Wolf Guard attached to the unit, probably, as an alternate character to accept the challenges that you don't want to accept with Ragnar, and this guy could get killed off early. With a true Wolf Guard bodyguard, you've got options, and "depth on your bench" as it were. I will miss having the Wolf Standard though. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3122052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev55555 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 That being said, yes, he needs Wolf Guard wrapping. Or better still, Grey Hunter wrapping so that Standard comes into play. The problem with a Grey Hunter wrapping, is that you'll have one Wolf Guard attached to the unit, probably, as an alternate character to accept the challenges that you don't want to accept with Ragnar, and this guy could get killed off early. With a true Wolf Guard bodyguard, you've got options, and "depth on your bench" as it were. I will miss having the Wolf Standard though. V Hello Valerian, could you please elaborate on your comment regarding 'missing' the Wolf Standard..........? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3123141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 In 5th I was toying with a loganwing list that used power armor wg and wg on bikes. Bikes are awesome and our wolf lords on them are now devasting. Wolf gurad on thme are expensive but now might be worth it. I am still working out the details but it promises to be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3123219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeninja Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 In 5th I was toying with a loganwing list that used power armor wg and wg on bikes. Bikes are awesome and our wolf lords on them are now devasting. Wolf gurad on thme are expensive but now might be worth it. I am still working out the details but it promises to be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3123220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 That being said, yes, he needs Wolf Guard wrapping. Or better still, Grey Hunter wrapping so that Standard comes into play. The problem with a Grey Hunter wrapping, is that you'll have one Wolf Guard attached to the unit, probably, as an alternate character to accept the challenges that you don't want to accept with Ragnar, and this guy could get killed off early. With a true Wolf Guard bodyguard, you've got options, and "depth on your bench" as it were. I will miss having the Wolf Standard though. V Hello Valerian, could you please elaborate on your comment regarding 'missing' the Wolf Standard..........? Sure. All that I was getting at is that if I stick Ragnar in with a unit of Wolf Guard, to form a bodyguard, then he wouldn't get to benefit from the re-rolls granted by a Wolf Standard. Only Grey Hunter packs can take a Wolf Standard, and in 5e it was pretty common for me to go "on the cheap" and stick Ragnar in with a Hunter Pack plus Wolf Guard Leader. The Standard is great to have activated on an assault, and is particularly helpful in allowing you to re-roll a 1, if you rolled one of those for his extra +d3 attacks for him and his unit. However, now that he can be challenged out, I'd rather have him join the Wolf Guard, which allows me to pick and chose who will fight in said challenge, although I have to sacrifice having that Wolf Standard advantage. That make better sense now? V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3123595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerwulf Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Sure. All that I was getting at is that if I stick Ragnar in with a unit of Wolf Guard, to form a bodyguard, then he wouldn't get to benefit from the re-rolls granted by a Wolf Standard. Only Grey Hunter packs can take a Wolf Standard, and in 5e it was pretty common for me to go "on the cheap" and stick Ragnar in with a Hunter Pack plus Wolf Guard Leader. The Standard is great to have activated on an assault, and is particularly helpful in allowing you to re-roll a 1, if you rolled one of those for his extra +d3 attacks for him and his unit. However, now that he can be challenged out, I'd rather have him join the Wolf Guard, which allows me to pick and chose who will fight in said challenge, although I have to sacrifice having that Wolf Standard advantage. That make better sense now? V I know this (i.e. WG as characters) has been discussed to death elsewhere, but I just read THIS a while ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3124021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 For some reason the one thing I noticed just TODAY :) , was that IC's cannot be singled out in combat. How has this changed our IC's and who/what we should field. For example is Canis more worthy to hide his non inv save in a pack of Fenrisian wolves with a cyberwolf pack leader? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256115-how-have-units-changed-or-not-changed-for-you/#findComment-3124724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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