dswanick Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 So - Most army-wide rules have been FAQ/Erratta'd to prevent Allied forces from benefitting from them by adding in a "units selected from Codex: X get special rule Y". One special rule I haven't seen get this treatment is the Master of the Forge's Lord of the Armoury rule which allows Dreadnoughts in your army to be selected as Elites and Heavy Support. This should include an Allied Detachment, then, correct? Lord of the Armoury:If you include a Master of the Forge in your army, Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Ironclad Dreadnoughts may be taken as Heavy Support choices as well as Elites choices If so, a C:SM army could consist of a Master of the Forge, a Bjorn the Fell Hand (SW HQ Dreadnought), 3+1 Elite Dreadnoughts, and 3+1 Heavy Support Dreadnoughts - for a grand total of 9 Dreadnoughts in a <2,000pt list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I haven't found any limiters like on the SC special rules, so yep the MotF's ability spreads to allies as well. This seems to be pretty easy to do, with two scout squads and whatever cheap Troops the Wolves have. I want to see it happen! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulochromis Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 ... for a grand total of 9 Dreadnoughts in a <2,000pt list. Can't Blood Angels do this, or at least get close, already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 ... for a grand total of 9 Dreadnoughts in a <2,000pt list. Can't Blood Angels do this, or at least get close, already? Well, BA can get Dreads in both Elite and Heavy Support - but they can't get Ironclads and their Elites are Furioso only. Grey Knight can do it, too. With Vens in the Elites slot and regular Dreads in the Heavy Support slot, but no Ironclads. But otherwise, yes, they can field a 9 Dread list like this and without needing the Master of the Forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Well, they have blender dreads, which I think trump ironclads in a few ways. Plus they can take some as Troops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Well, they have blender dreads, which I think trump ironclads in a few ways. Plus they can take some as Troops! Hmm, yeah - good point. So, unless there's a Special IC which allows multiple Death Companies, BA can field - Bjorn - Allied HQ Dread 30 DC - Troops + 6 DC Dreads 3+1 Elites Dread 3+1 Heavy Support Dread 15 Dread total... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 So, unless there's a Special IC which allows multiple Death Companies...Astorath much? Anyways: Astorath BA librarian with shield. 6 Furiosos 6 Regular Dreads 50 death company 10 DC Dreads Allies Bjorn 5 grey hunters Space wolf dread. 4400pts. But that is with the BA codex. With C:SM you can get 12 dreads at 2000pts with a MotF. I love the dread army. My Omega Marines are in progress, 6dreads at 1500, hopefully, bulking out with Bjorn and another at 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Plus they can take some as Troops! Just a small side-note here, but in order to take the Death Co. Dread (which is a Troop choice) you need to take a Death Company unit (which is also a Troop choice) per Death Co. Dread. A small limitation...but if you mean to spam them, you need to take Astorath. The larger limitation is that they're all costly and can't score. EDIT: clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Plus they can take some as Troops! Just a small side-note here, but in order to take the Death Co. Dread (which is a Troop choice) you need to take a Death Company unit (which is also a Troop choice) per Death Co. Dread. A small limitation...but if you mean to spam them, you need to take Astorath. The larger limitation is that they're all costly and can't score. EDIT: clarification I thought the rule stated that for every 5 Death Company marines you can take a DC dread? So you only need on DC unit, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Don't worry thade; the two posts before yours had it covered ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Plus they can take some as Troops! Just a small side-note here, but in order to take the Death Co. Dread (which is a Troop choice) you need to take a Death Company unit (which is also a Troop choice) per Death Co. Dread. A small limitation...but if you mean to spam them, you need to take Astorath. The larger limitation is that they're all costly and can't score. EDIT: clarification I thought the rule stated that for every 5 Death Company marines you can take a DC dread? So you only need on DC unit, right? Actually two. A Death Company can be up to 30 models, which will support up to 6 Dreads. So you need two DC to fill the 10 available slots in two FOCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 OK, so in order to maximize the number of dreads in a force you need : 1 Astorath (BA, 1st Primary Detachment) 1 other HQ (BA, 2nd Primary Detachment) 1 Master of the Forge (SM, 1st Allied Detachment) 1 Bjorn the Fellhand (SW, 2nd Allied Detachment) 2 25-man Death Company (BA, PD Troops) 4 other Troops (2 BA, 1 SM, 1 SW) Which gives you 1 Headquarters Dread (SW) 8 Elite Dreads (6 BA, 1 SM, 1 SW) 10 Troops Dreads (all BA) 8 Heavy Support Dreads (6 BA, 1 SM, 1 SW) 5,500pts for 10 DC w/2X Blood Fists 6 Furioso w/Frag Cannon and Blood Fist 7 Rifleman w/TLLascannon and TLAutocannon 1 Ironclad w/2X Hunter-Killers 1 Bjorn 2 Venerable w/Wolftooth Necklace and Wolf Tail Talisman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Your second allied detachment has to be from the same codex as the first, unfortunately, so you cannot have both Bjorn and the MotF :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Your second allied detachment has to be from the same codex as the first, unfortunately, so you cannot have both Bjorn and the MotF :( I'll double check the BRB when I get home from work, but I'm pretty sure it says that the second Primary Detachment must be the same Codex as the first but says nothing about Allied detachments... I stand corrected - both Allied detachments must also be from the same Codex. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well by 5000 points, you should be playing apocalypse anyway so you can still run that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The ideal list is as follows Astorath Librarian Furioso x 6 DC x 25 DC x 25 DC Dread x 10 Dreadnought x 6 GK Grand Master GK Grand Master 2 Ven Dreads 2 Heavy Dread 2 Strike Squads That should give you 26 Dreadnoughts and 6 scoring units with just the grey knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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