undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I've been toying with the idea of a biker army with deathwing allies. I figure with all the awesome that accompanies bikes(especially now) this could work really well. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitadelArmyGuy Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Why haven't I thought of this yet!? This...is awesome. Will you take Sammael to make them scoring or use a Divination Librarian? Probably the former.... Ld9 is an injustice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Is Sammael the guy that just got the beautiful finecast model a few months back? If so I'm inclined to go with him:P I'll need to pick up the Dark Angels book and see what all they have. I think it could be fun as all hell lol:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitadelArmyGuy Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Took a 2nd look-- seems like Deathwing Bikers, you are paying +30pts per squad (compared to BA Biker squads), but gain Fearless and Scouts. As long as you encorporate the 'Scouting' into how you will play then army then I feel it could be worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I looked at this, some hings to consider. Sammie is NOT an IC, he can't join a squad (therefore, his landspeeder is probably best for him). Second is how the wing is formed. It turns into a unit of 3 bikers (sarge included), a unit of 1 attack bike, and a unit of 1 landspeeder. Alternatively, if you purchase the second set of 3 bikers, you can fieled them as 1 group of 6 or 2 groups of 3. For a biker detachment, that scores, I'd try C:SM and Khan or a bike Captain. Ohk I think you mean RAVENWING. Though, I'd love to see some biker terminators :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It is a very resonable idea but I think that Khan or Sammel which every you prefer will make decent allies. You can get outflanking bikers that can scout turn one if you want them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 oops. Yeah, Ravenwing is what I'm thinking would be fun to ally with. Get bikes and speeders for days:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3118987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daybreak Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Ravenwing is pricey, so only use them if you're going to take advantage of all of their features: Fearless, Scout, and Teleport Homer. The Homer works nicely with Deathwing Terminators (and your own BA Termies, if you run them too), but sadly not with DoA. I don't know if it works with drop pods or not, I don't think it does. Fearless is indeed nice, and Scout gets you in position to utilize that Homer. Build yourself a 6 man unit plus MM AB, add 2 meltas (or plasmas) and a Fist to the Sergeant, maybe, and upgrade them with FNP and/or the Banner (Sammael lets one squad get these upgrades). Build the other as a 3 man, 2 Meltagun, MM AB tank hunter team. Scout up first, get a few shots at 12", maybe glance something to death. Take one unit of Deathwing Terminators as an Elite, and maybe a 75 point Typhoon/MM Speeder from Fast, nothing else from DA. Don't buy Ravenwing speeders as they're 100 points for crap guns. -- That sounds all well and good, but then you realize that Vanilla SM can do it much cheaper. They don't get the same advantages as DA (Teleport, Scout, 3 man combat squads, independent MM AB, FNP on one unit of troops) but they are still scoring, they come cheaper (and you get more of them), and you don't have to take crappy Sammael as an HQ. Instead, tool up a sweet-ass Bike Captain, give him Artificer Armour and a cool weapon, and attach him to a squad. If you've got the points, build a bike command squad. Then take either two 5 man bike squads, or two 10 man bike squads with MM AB, and combat squad them. I like the first plan, and you take MM AB in your BA Fast slots. Supplement the list with BA Jumpers, and a Divination Librarian or two, plus some priests, and you're set. Hell, put the priest or libby on a bike and they can hang out with the SM or RW bikers (though sadly they don't share the Priest's buff). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 where to BA fit in this scheme? maybe take the ravenwing bikes, BA terminators, with TDA priests, some assault squads for your troops and a libbie in TDA? i think ravenwing and loganwing with a rune priest in TDA would rock though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I tried a biker squad yesterday - wasnt too impressed to be honest :( But will need a few more games with them. Theyre quite dear for the 3+ and ifyou're using SM dex, no FNP :( Would be worth looking at how pricey the 6man + attack bike is (with apoth). Also, I LOVE Sammael on Jetbike. Really really hardy model ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm at work and don't have my BA codex. We have zero options for bike troops do we? Not even scout bikes... Also playing with the idea of just painting up Dark Angels with a deep glossed red on their power armor, calling them Sanguine Angels, and then running them with the Dark Angels codex with Blood Angels allies. T5 power armor with a 4+ cover save at all times? Yes please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 To me, bikers are really nice, but I find it hard to fit in a BA army. The only way I'd run them would be with Khan. Outflanking with a pair of Baals, that would be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 To me, bikers are really nice, but I find it hard to fit in a BA army. The only way I'd run them would be with Khan. Outflanking with a pair of Baals, that would be fun. Remember they cant charge on the turn they outflank anymore- so iffy. I'm at work and don't have my BA codex. We have zero options for bike troops do we? correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Balls:/ guess I'll probably just pick up the Dark Angels codex and a few Ravenwing boxes(if those are a good deal that is). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The Ravenwing Battleforce gives you 6 bikes, an attack bike, and a Landspeeder, which is basically one maxed out Ravenwing Troops unit. Not a bad deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Hmmmm. I think it might be a good investment. Proabably pick up 3 or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daybreak Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The Ravenwing Battleforce gives you 6 bikes, an attack bike, and a Landspeeder, which is basically one maxed out Ravenwing Troops unit. Not a bad deal. You also get a tonne of amazing bits, including the stuff to modify a Landspeeder into Sammael's landspeeder. Which you shouldn't run, by the way. 205 points for 2 hull points? No thank you. The best part of the box is the robed bikers, those guys look badass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Should I hold off on Dark Angels stuff. Just remembered. Aren't they supposed to be the first 6th edition codex release? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Balls:/ guess I'll probably just pick up the Dark Angels codex and a few Ravenwing boxes(if those are a good deal that is). Ravenwing box set is possibly the best value for money box set you will get in the line. AMAZING bits there too. Should I hold off on Dark Angels stuff. Just remembered. Aren't they supposed to be the first 6th edition codex release? rumour is they'll be released with the Chaos models wise, but not rules wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Gah, eff it. I'll snag the codex and start out with just a box of Raven Wing. BTW, if anyone thinks a DA BA bike force is retarded or won't be competitive, please speak soon. Don't wanna blow a bunch of money then get face rolled lol:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Gah, eff it. I'll snag the codex and start out with just a box of Raven Wing. BTW, if anyone thinks a DA BA bike force is retarded or won't be competitive, please speak soon. Don't wanna blow a bunch of money then get face rolled lol:P The box comes with 6 bikes, an attack bike and a speeder. Personally, I wouldnt paint them up DA, but it depends how your people are in your area. Why not model them in a special way to be counts as BA? (Even with a biker lord from SM codex~!) Why not try out a game or two on VASSAL? And then see how it goes if youre nervous. Also, as a few posters have already said, you really need to make use of their abilities - fearless, homers, and scout! Not to mention theyre all troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Vassal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benation Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I had the same idea OP. Got a Ravenwing box set too! I feel like I need trooper bikes (something to score quickly). I used my fast razorbacks with RAS in as a cruch last edition, and I am really used to a play style of jumping on objectives last turn. I think the changes to transports not being able to score makes bikes sooo much better. I'm gonna paint mine as Blood Angels and just use them counts as. I actually was thinking of taking Sammeal, an alternative HQ would be like 130 points (eg spacemarine captain) and for 70 points I think an armor 14 landspeeder that shoots at BS 5 twinlinked is pretty darn good. I know it only has 2 hullpoints, but its still armor 14, so except for necros, you're golden! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadfilth Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Gotta watch out for dark eldar too. lances are mean. plus the new rules make haywire blaters retarded. 24" 2-5 auto glance 6 pen against vehicles. they can drop it in on you for a bad day... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Vassal? VASSAL how to BA VASSAL challenge really fun/useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256248-a-flash-of-brilliance/#findComment-3119859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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