Captain Hwarang Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hey everybody, I have a golden themed project in mind once I finish my Praetors of Orpheus, and want to paint them using NMM. This was a practice piece I did on the Black Reach Dread's close combat weapon. It was painted with Windsor and Newton Artisan Oils burnt umber, yellow ochre, cadmium yellow pale hue, and titanium white. My question is: what's wrong with it? I think the color is a bit off for gold, but I don't know how to change it. More orange? Red? Right now it seems too cartoony. Also, do you think I have the highlights and shadows in the right places? (i.e. does it look like gold or just weird yellow paint?) Pics: http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/NMMGoldenDCCW2.jpg http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/NMMGoldenDCCW.jpg Sorry if this is in the wrong place. It's a finished practice piece, so I put it in the finished work place. If it needs to be somewhere else, can a mod please move it? Thanks for any and all advice. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
David the Despoiler Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 In order for it to look metallic, I reccomend contrasting the panels with reversed gradiants. The best way I can explain it is... Have the gradiant on ONE panel going from dark to light / / / / / / /// ------------------------- \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ And the other panel from light to dark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3125081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hwarang Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 In order for it to look metallic, I reccomend contrasting the panels with reversed gradiants. The best way I can explain it is... Have the gradiant on ONE panel going from dark to light / / / / / / /// ------------------------- \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ And the other panel from light to dark. Thanks for the input Despoiler. That's actually what I was trying to do, but I see that I carried over the dark portion too far on the main center panel. It's a little bit better from the front to the side, but not much. I'm working on the multi-melta from the same model using different colors at the moment, and will keep your advice in mind. What's your opinion of the actual color though? Too yellow? If I get the gradient in the way you describe, do you think it can look metal, even with such a strong yellow? In the new recipe, I've completely replaced the cadmium yellow pale hue with naples yellow hue (if that means anything to anyone...have no idea what the GW or VGC equivalents are) and the change was quite drastic. Thanks again. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3125114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottimus Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 From the pictures.... my own opinion is that is looks insanely good.... may just be my eyes but thats looks seriously GOLD!... like BLING! The only thing I'd say... you could tone down the gold.. just a little... google 'gold plated ak' there's plenty of gold weapons for inspiration! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3125637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I think you need a little less yellow and more brown. To me it looks like your highlight turned into your basecoat. But understand that I couldn't do what you did and you clearly are more skilled with a brush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3125649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hwarang Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 From the pictures.... my own opinion is that is looks insanely good.... may just be my eyes but thats looks seriously GOLD!... like BLING! The only thing I'd say... you could tone down the gold.. just a little... google 'gold plated ak' there's plenty of gold weapons for inspiration! Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like perhaps too much yellow? I did indeed google gold plated ak, and one of the most helpful pics was actually a gold plated ak47-shaped birthday cake. Internet what would we do without you. I think you need a little less yellow and more brown. To me it looks like your highlight turned into your basecoat. But understand that I couldn't do what you did and you clearly are more skilled with a brush. Too much yellow is the consensus so far then? I think I agree. I'll try the same palette again, and use larger patches of the yellow ochre. Also, don't sell yourself short bro! You're Silver Skulls are killer. Here are some new pics, this time of a rhino. I would love some opinions on which gold recipe is the best. I realize neither of them are perfect, but I really need help choosing just the general palette of colors at the moment. I also realize I have a lot of work to do on reflection placement. Basically, one of them has some orange and naples yellow in it, while the other is what you see on the DCCW. I included a pre-blend and post-blend pic of the oils, just to show how easy they are to blend. Please pardon the bad pics; the painting medium with which I thinned the oils adds some gloss, and messed up the lighting with taking the picture. Pre-blending: http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPreBlend02.jpg Post-Blending: http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend.jpg http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend3.jpg Thanks again peeps. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3125771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think you need a little less yellow and more brown. To me it looks like your highlight turned into your basecoat. But understand that I couldn't do what you did and you clearly are more skilled with a brush. Too much yellow is the consensus so far then? I think I agree. I'll try the same palette again, and use larger patches of the yellow ochre. Also, don't sell yourself short bro! You're Silver Skulls are killer. Well thanks man! But I'll leave NMM to the experts. I actually prefer true metallic anyways. Post-Blending:http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend.jpg http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend3.jpg Thanks again peeps. -CH I am going to say the first of these pics. HOWEVER: You are not going to paint these vehicle with a brush are you? That just seems like a huge task, especially doing NMM! Do you have an airbrush? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3126046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Sorry I'm just getting to this and I am certainly not a NMM painter only having moderate success on small things. I want you to understand where I'm coming from. Having said that, I think you are still too far into the yellow. Yes, gold is a yellow, but it also has a lot of brown in it. I would offer that you should look for GW's NMM painting guide* that they used for the BA Sanguinor model. There are very clear cut steps and the full range of colors listed that you could map to your other ranges if you want. * It was in the issue that had the BA/Chaos battle report and I think has the cover of the codex on the front. Kudos to you for attempting this, I would not. I'm a real metallic kind of guy, but also I don't think I'm ready for something on this scale. So, I say go for it and be the hero. That's what BnC is all about. However, do get your hands on that painting guide. I think you've find it very helpful. Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3126070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hwarang Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think you need a little less yellow and more brown. To me it looks like your highlight turned into your basecoat. But understand that I couldn't do what you did and you clearly are more skilled with a brush. Too much yellow is the consensus so far then? I think I agree. I'll try the same palette again, and use larger patches of the yellow ochre. Also, don't sell yourself short bro! You're Silver Skulls are killer. Well thanks man! But I'll leave NMM to the experts. I actually prefer true metallic anyways. Post-Blending:http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend.jpg http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/jcttkd/GoldRhinoPostBlend3.jpg Thanks again peeps. -CH I am going to say the first of these pics. HOWEVER: You are not going to paint these vehicle with a brush are you? That just seems like a huge task, especially doing NMM! Do you have an airbrush? Actually, the first and second pics of the rhino are the same, it's just that the lighting is awful in one of them, and only kind of bad in the other. I don't have an airbrush yet, although that will probably be the next big thing I get. But yeah, I am planning on painting 1 rhino completely with a brush, once I get my recipe figured out. I don't think it will take too long actually, and I only have one vehicle in the project I'm planning. THanks again for the tips man. Sorry I'm just getting to this and I am certainly not a NMM painter only having moderate success on small things. I want you to understand where I'm coming from. Having said that, I think you are still too far into the yellow. Yes, gold is a yellow, but it also has a lot of brown in it. I would offer that you should look for GW's NMM painting guide* that they used for the BA Sanguinor model. There are very clear cut steps and the full range of colors listed that you could map to your other ranges if you want. * It was in the issue that had the BA/Chaos battle report and I think has the cover of the codex on the front. Kudos to you for attempting this, I would not. I'm a real metallic kind of guy, but also I don't think I'm ready for something on this scale. So, I say go for it and be the hero. That's what BnC is all about. However, do get your hands on that painting guide. I think you've find it very helpful. Cheers, No need to apologize, bro. THanks for the feedback. You're right, I am too far into the yellow still, and I think I'm going to completely remove it from the recipe on my next attempt. Next up I'm going to go with an ochre color and shade it and highlight only using black and white, and see how that goes. I actually have read the article of which you're speaking. It's helpful, but the only problem is that NMM is much easier to convey on a model with so many sculpted details. The awesome sangunary guard models have all the muscles sculpted and everything, so it's easier to see where to put the highlights as long as you keep your light source in mind. I'm having a lot of toruble though with regular power armor, and in fact haven't found a single pic of a regular power armored marine painted in gold NMM. Not even the CMON legends like Artur, the yellow one, or Scibor have examples of them. But the article is definitely one of the best resources I've come across so far. THanks for the reminder, and for your advice. Back to the drawing board. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3128041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezial Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Hey there. I saw what you're trying to do here and I think it's cool but I do see where it can improve. I've never attempted this myself and not sure if I'd really want to but I can see you're serious. I have a couple of links that might help you. Right up your alley is a NMM Sanguinor vid actually using 'Eavy Metal techniques and with Reaper paints Next is a NMM style wet blending tutorial on a thunderhammer using both oils and acrylics. This one talks a lot about the wet palette and is great for technique. It's from Awesome Paint Job. Awesome Paint Job wet blending These are both links to youtube made by other people that I just think are good for the subject. Hope this helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3128072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hwarang Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Hey thanks man. I'd forgotten about that APJ thunder hammer tutorial. I'd seen it before, but completely forgot about it. It was especially because he talks about oils in the first have of the tutorial, he suggests working from white, whereas with acrylic, we tend to start with the midtone and then highlight and shade accordingly.My efforts using only yellow ochre, black, and white, have been much better than these other attempts, but I started with the midtone (ochre) instead of white. I'm going to give it a shot now working down from the highlight. Thanks again man. Great resource. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3128499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezial Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 My pleasure Cap. Good luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256788-golden-dreadnought-power-fist/#findComment-3128658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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