Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Can Karamazov use his Relentless Special Rule to allow him to move and shoot his Orbital Strike Relay? OSR; The orbital strike relay is treated as a ranged weapon that can be used provided that the bearer did not move in the preceeding Movement phase Note: The three weapon options are types Ordnance, Heavy and Ordnance. Relentless; Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, Salvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. I'd take that as a yes. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'd say it's a no, similar for the reason why a Chapter Master in TDA can't use Orbital Bombardment when he moves, because the rule for the shooting attack says he can't. That quote there says it's a ranged weapon that can't be used if moved, it doesn't specify a type that is explicitly mentioned in the Relentless USR quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 You have to select one of the type when using it, which is either 'type' Ordnance or Heavy. Each time the orbital strike relay is used, you must choose which kind of strike you wish to call down So you'd say there's a difference between 'did not move' and 'counts as stationary'. And why *can't* a SM Captain in TDA use thier Orbital Relay? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 EDIT: Redacted. I should learn not to post when I'm debugging, but...I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's obviosuly listed as Type Ordanance, Heavy and Ordnance. Two of the three types that Relentless now effects. How can you say it's not of a type that Relentless effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 The weapon has a special rule. It says you can't fire it if he moved. Relentless removes the restriction of Not being able to fire an Ordnance weapon after moving...it does not remove the weapon's own special rule restriction. How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 But it *is* an Ordnance weapon... Weapon: Barrage Bomb Range: Unlimited S: 6 AP: 4 Type: Ordance D3, Large Blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 You have to select one of the type when using it, which is either 'type' Ordnance or Heavy. Each time the orbital strike relay is used, you must choose which kind of strike you wish to call down So you'd say there's a difference between 'did not move' and 'counts as stationary'. And why *can't* a SM Captain in TDA use thier Orbital Relay? ;) Because the rules explicitly say you can't shoot using it. True, the Ordnance rules say the same thing, but in a way the OB rules are saying it twice over. It's not just "this is an Ordnance weapon, therefore you can't move and fire it". It's "you can't fire it if you move and it uses these rules for shooting". Both OB weapons in the two Codices use very similar wording which explicitly state you can't move and fire, and IMO that would override Relentless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 >_< Gah! I should know how this is answered in 6th. /sigh LoL Rules conflict. OSR can't shoot if moved. Relentless can shoot if moved. One's Codex one's BRB. Codex > BRB OSR over rides Relentless. Bah. LoL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Wait does Relentless say "Can shoot if moved?" Or does Relentless say something more specific like "You may fire Ordnance and Heavy weapons after moving."? Layers! There are two restrictions on Orbital Strike Relay: there's Ordnance and "You can't move!" specifically in it's special (not normal) rules. Relentless repeals one of those restrictions: the Ordnance one. It doesn't have any effect on "You can't move!" which is a special rule for it. It's not perfect, but it's what we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, Salvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. From my OP. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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