Necris Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ok so while I struggle with my chaos force I bug out my Space Marines and set to working on a background for them I have recently taken a great interest in the Crusades and the knights of the era in general and I liked the concept of defending the roads to Jerusalem so took that as my starting point. I tried to come up with a number of points for the chapter. 1. 14th Founding Chapter 2. Imperial Fist Successor 3. Fleet Based 4. Base of Operations – Star Fortress Bubakra 5. Possess a large fleet mainly made up of Rapid Escort Class ships utilised in an active patrol function 6. Codex Chapter 7. Specialise in assault boat and drop pod attacks 8. Train in Zero Gravity environments 9. Hold Dorn’s five spheres teachings in high regard, making them a focal point to their boarding actions 10. Favour closed range fire fights over heavy weapons barrages 11. Assigned to Protect Astro-transit Lanes Especially Pilgrim lanes from pirate attacks 12. Have a high presence within transit lanes supplying aid to ships attacked by pirates 13. Have supposedly undertaken special training from the Inquisition to route out and battle heretics and rogue psykers within civilian fleets 14. Utterly ruthless during battle 15. Respect the dead on both sides afterwards praying over all the fallen 16. Marines spend much of their reflection time engraving weapons with litanies of salvation and forgiveness 17. Marines are very pious 18. Chapter has close ties with the mechanicus to maintain their fleet 19. Chapter has fewer Chaplains than a standard chapter despite their pious nature 20. The Chapter possess a large number of Librarians having at least 1 assigned to each ship within the fleet. 21. Have a high number of Chapter Serfs recruited at the foundation of the chapter to crew ships. The colours for the chapter are going to be red and grey I considered going for a traditional crusading colour scheme of either with crosses white and red / red and white / black and white / white and green or green and white but these have been done to death, I once saw an awesome crusading chapter in the Citadel hall if miniatures but have since lost the pictures I took of it, but I like the red grey colours Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkana Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Putting the "Space" back in "Space Marine"? I like it. There are a few things that seem contradictory though. Why does a chapter that has such a strong focus on religion have fewer Chaplains than normal? Why do they pray over the dead xenos, when one of the mottos for the Imperium is, "suffer not the alien to live"? How did they adopt their space-faring ways when they come from the Imperial Fists, who favor sieges? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 My basic thinking behind the lack of Chaplains is the concept of warrior monks where every marine is like a mini chaplain in himself (hence the lack of full fledged ones) They pray over all their dead because Salvation come in many forms for the xenos their salvation from their nature comes from their death, heretics and traitors are given salvation from their deeds and fellow brothers are granted salvation when their duty is done I basically had the image in my head of the aftermath of a battle with a lone marine kneeling at the head of a fallen enemy head bowed in respect for the fallen warrior praying over their enemies was maybe the wrong phrase perhaps paying their respect in quiet reflection is more apt Space faring ways compared to the Imperial Fists is a needs to an end, they are charged with fortifying the tranist lanes of the Ultima segmentum the best form of defence is a strong offence why sit and be reactive when you can be mobile and proactive, The Imperial Fists are the masters of fortification and like any good master they know how to counter that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 3. Fleet Based 5. Utilise rapid escort class ships over cruisers and battle barges 6. Codex Chapter 7. Specialise in assault boat and drop pod attacks 11. Assigned to Protect Astro-transit Lanes Especially Pilgrim lanes from pirate attacks 12. Have a high presence within transit lanes supplying aid to ships attacked by pirates 18. Chapter has close ties with the mechanicus to maintain their fleet These things do not work together. Small escort ships only carry a squad (10 Marines) and you can't drop pod from anythings smaller then a Cruiser. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 I haven't said the chapter doesn't have Cruisers and Battlebarges just they make use of a lot of rapid escorts compared to the larger ships to patrol with, after all you can't patrol a segmentum with only a handful of ships, maybe I should change 5. to Maintains a large fleet made up mainly of rapid escort class ships now sure how the rest don't go together Protecting asrto lanes is one of the things that makes they who they are hence there fleet status Having a presence of being a defender of astro traffic lanes and pilgrim ships Need machanicus help to deal with all those ships I did think of another I could put onto the list 21. Have a vast host of Chapter Serfs spread across the crews of their fleet Haven''t as of yet sorted out where they get their recruits from Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You do know that most of what you listed is the same with every chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkana Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Now that it's not 3 in the morning, I can give a decent response. 4. Base of Operations – Star Fortress Bubakra11. Assigned to Protect Astro-transit Lanes Especially Pilgrim lanes from pirate attacks 12. Have a high presence within transit lanes supplying aid to ships attacked by pirates If you haven't already decided where they usually operate, I would suggest somewhere near the Maelstrom. There's a lot of pirates there. 5. Possess a large fleet mainly made up of Rapid Escort Class ships utilised in an active patrol function How is their relationship with the Navy? 7. Specialise in assault boat and drop pod attacks8. Train in Zero Gravity environments 10. Favour closed range fire fights over heavy weapons barrages So, do they have a lot of Assault Squads? Zero Gravity training seems like it'd be ideal for teaching recruits to think in three dimensions, so they might have a natural affinity for jump packs that allow them to utilize that training. 9. Hold Dorn’s five spheres teachings in high regard, making them a focal point to their boarding actions What are Dorn's Five Spheres? 13. Have supposedly undertaken special training from the Inquisition to route out and battle heretics and rogue psykers within civilian fleets Why would they need Inquisitorial training for this? 14. Utterly ruthless during battle I'd certainly hope so. :P 15. Respect the dead on both sides afterwards praying over all the fallen Respect still doesn't feel like the right word in regards to their enemies. Maybe you're thinking that death absolves them of their sins? 18. Chapter has close ties with the mechanicus to maintain their fleet Perhaps they have more techmarines than usual? 20. The Chapter possess a large number of Librarians having at least 1 assigned to each ship within the fleet. Why? 21. Have a high number of Chapter Serfs recruited at the foundation of the chapter to crew ships. You don't really need to mention this. It's pretty standard for SM Chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3126909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 If you haven't already decided where they usually operate, I would suggest somewhere near the Maelstrom. There's a lot of pirates there. That's a great Idea I had the Segmentum as a general mandate but yes having them in the local of the Maelstrom makes perfect sense How is their relationship with the Navy? I hadn't thought of their relationship with the Navy, I'd consider it to be a mix of strained as they are stepping on the Navy's toes some what and respected because of their results So, do they have a lot of Assault Squads? Zero Gravity training seems like it'd be ideal for teaching recruits to think in three dimensions, so they might have a natural affinity for jump packs that allow them to utilize that training. I had considered them to be assault squad heavy or potentially arming tactical squads with bolt pistol and chain swords What are Dorn's Five Spheres? From reading the Horus Heresy it was Dorn's manual of combat and from what I interpreted focussed heavily on the sword as the perfect weapon of the space marine a quick google search came up with Rhetoricus' Book of the Five Spheres which seems to be the office publication of dorn's works, and seems to be a full combat manual teaching every imaginable tactic of war considered one of the most authoritative texts of the Imperial Fists. and Rhetoricus is considered second only to Dorn in his knowledge of war Why would they need Inquisitorial training for this? I saw them having additional training because of their exposure to pilgrim fleets in spotting the subtle the subtle signs of corruption in a man, maybe an innate skill within each marine that the inquisition has capitalised on I'd certainly hope so. :P So do I :D Respect still doesn't feel like the right word in regards to their enemies. Maybe you're thinking that death absolves them of their sins? Yeah I agree I need to reword it somewhat Perhaps they have more techmarines than usual? Again I've consider this too 20. The Chapter possess a large number of Librarians having at least 1 assigned to each ship within the fleet. Why? My thinking was a large number of lowest ranking Librarians would act as a line of defence for ships in the warp etc etc, it was a just an after though point which I can always remove or change 21. Have a high number of Chapter Serfs recruited at the foundation of the chapter to crew ships. You don't really need to mention this. It's pretty standard for SM Chapters. I really should have worded it better as them having more than an average chapter, and mentioning that they have a very high recruitment rate because the actively recruit large numbers of serfs who'll never make the grade to be a scout Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/256899-ia-knights-of-salvation/#findComment-3127011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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